what is up with roman??

[theiman]

Originally Posted by ELA

Your points about what Roman has done in the past, are irrelevant here -- in this case and on this issue. It is not about integrity -- it is about motive and intent, which Roman himself stated, not you might I add. You appear to be blindly defending a friend, and I respect that. However, in doing that you turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to the real issue at hand.

Mr. Roman himself said that the horse would be make his presense felt early on, even though he felt he wouldn't be anywhere in it at the end. There was also commentary that Hard Spun should "watch out" or something along those lines.

He wants to run his horse -- great. Beat the field fair and square -- great. But what about costing another horse the race -- when taken in the context that you admit you really don't stand a chance?

Your blind support of a friend is superceding your common sense.

Eric

How does he cost another horse the race?

Doesnt a rabbit, as part of an entry, also cost another horse a race? Havent they been part of racing since racing has been around.

What about the job they did on Cigar at DM, didnt that cost him the race? There were horses literally crawling in that race on the last turn.

If the horse isnt sound than I agree. However, every day I see sprint races with 12 horse fields and horses who cant run more than 2F race out to the lead and then back through the field. Isnt that the same "Dangerous" analogy implied here? Those horses that cant make a 6F race alter the course of those races too? Yet we dont see complaints about that?

Each year arent there about 10 horses in the KY Derby that have no chance and lose by over 25 lengths, the same horses are backing through the field as you anticipate Romans horse too. Yet they allow 20 starters in that race.

I am a long time friend of Larry's, although since moving to California I havent seen him in aboout 15 years. But as a fan of racing, if someone else had done the same I would support them the same. I would rather support Larry for racing than anyone who retires these horses way too soon.

[ELA]

Thanks for the comments -- they prove my point. It's abundantly clear that you don't get it.

Eric

[theiman]

Originally Posted by ELA

Thanks for the comments -- they prove my point. It's abundantly clear that you don't get it.

Eric

Actually my statements prove my points. You just didnt have an argument to stand on so you come back with a short one liner.

Might as well have walkovers in racing because obviously only the winner belongs and nobody else.

Now I hope he scratches the horse, because anything else will be a "See I told you so response"

Go root for all of the connections that spew the same garbage talk pre derby than duck a TC grade 1 race because it now doesnt fit our schedule. Strange how a head loss changes so much.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by theiman

Actually my statements prove my points. You just didnt have an argument to stand on so you come back with a short one liner.

Might as well have walkovers in racing because obviously only the winner belongs and nobody else.

Now I hope he scratches the horse, because anything else will be a "See I told you so response"

Go root for all of the connections that spew the same garbage talk pre derby than duck a TC grade 1 race because it now doesnt fit our schedule. Strange how a head loss changes so much.

Sure let's just ignore the self esteem and psychological well being of this horse I guess. Putting a horse in over it's head can potentially ruin the horse. In the face of it, some horses never put in a try ever again. As for the other horses, say he does cook Hard Spun in a duel (not that I buy into the idea that HS would engage) at the end you'll have to wobbly horses flying backward into the face of advancing traffic which isn't going to be huge (it's not as if it's a 20 horse Derby field) but still anybody in the first couple paths has to deal with going around them. What could it do to the other horses? A variety of things. This one may be extreme but excessively tired horses have flat out fallen down. They've also caused another animal to clip heels or any other number of racing accidents. I personally prefer my races without the equine edition of Frogger. I guess if Digger ends up vanned from the track after being eased, no harm no foul right? I mean who else did he hurt? (He could of course come out of it just fine and even do well but the odds are seriously against him, that's the point. If he wants a G1 race better suited to the horse, there are others he could take a stab at. It's not sporting to take an animal over his head just to do it. You need to at least think there's a chance which they don't appear to.)

[theiman]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

Sure let's just ignore the self esteem and psychological well being of this horse I guess. Putting a horse in over it's head can potentially ruin the horse. In the face of it, some horses never put in a try ever again. As for the other horses, say he does cook Hard Spun in a duel (not that I buy into the idea that HS would engage) at the end you'll have to wobbly horses flying backward into the face of advancing traffic which isn't going to be huge (it's not as if it's a 20 horse Derby field) but still anybody in the first couple paths has to deal with going around them. What could it do to the other horses? A variety of things. This one may be extreme but excessively tired horses have flat out fallen down. They've also caused another animal to clip heels or any other number of racing accidents. I personally prefer my races without the equine edition of Frogger. I guess if Digger ends up vanned from the track after being eased, no harm no foul right? I mean who else did he hurt? (He could of course come out of it just fine and even do well but the odds are seriously against him, that's the point. If he wants a G1 race better suited to the horse, there are others he could take a stab at. It's not sporting to take an animal over his head just to do it. You need to at least think there's a chance which they don't appear to.)

Maybe he becomes a tougher and braver horse by racing against tougher horses? Can you say he wont for sure? How many times have we as humans seen our kids or even ourselves step "up" to the competition level of more experienced people at sports we play. I play alot of racquetball. When I play against the guys that are much better than me my game picks up. Can you say that Digger wont show up when the time comes?

As for your analogy of a weary leg animal causing confusion a potential problems, I dont buy it. Every day we see horses backing through 12 horse sprint races after 2F. This is the same danger that I assume you mean that Digger might cause. Why has there been no arguments over this danger. I cant think of a more dangerous race in the USA than the Derby. A 20 horse cavalry charge to the first turn and then 1/2 the field is going backwards into the second turn.

What Larry Roman has said as an owner is one thing, but he doesnt ride the race and the jock will. The horse is eligible to race in the Belmont and deserves a chance.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by theiman

The horse is eligible to race in the Belmont and deserves a chance.

Thank God most people don't believe this kind of nonsense. Even Larry Roman apparently doesn't and has said as much.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Thank God most people don't believe this kind of nonsense. Even Larry Roman apparently doesn't and has said as much.

That is my biggest issue with it. If they thought Dutrow had straightened some things out with the horse and saw the short field in the Belmont and took a shot I wouldn't have a huge problem with it. The horse has gone nine furlongs three times so it isn't like throwing an unraced horse into the Arkansas Derby, My issue was Roman's comments that he was basically entering the horse to make a mockery of the race because Street Sense wasn't going and that his horse had no shot. That is indefensible in my opinion.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by theiman

Actually my statements prove my points. You just didnt have an argument to stand on so you come back with a short one liner.

Might as well have walkovers in racing because obviously only the winner belongs and nobody else.

Now I hope he scratches the horse, because anything else will be a "See I told you so response"

Go root for all of the connections that spew the same garbage talk pre derby than duck a TC grade 1 race because it now doesnt fit our schedule. Strange how a head loss changes so much.

You have yet to address the real issue at hand and are merely just deflecting. I have made my point -- very clearly -- and you haven't. The only point you have made is that your position has zero credibility and is indefensible. It's utter nonsense. I see you've taken up this arguement on more than on BB, and still haven't addressed the issue at hand. Are you some sort of PR guy or what?

Anyway, it's very transparent and you have made it abundantly clear that you really just don't get it. You have time and time again turned a blind eye and a deaf ear to the real issue at hand. Simply put, that is what proves my point -- not the fact that you can't -- the simple fact that you refuse to even address it. It's one thing if you don't know anything about the game and then I would understand your naivete. But that doesn't appear to be the case. However, you are passionate in defending a friend with his resume, yet, again, fail to address the real issue.


Here it is -- read slow now so maybe you get it. Mr. Roman himself said that the horse would be make his presense felt early on, even though he felt he wouldn't be anywhere in it at the end. Even Mr. Roman doesn't think the horse belongs in the race, yet the one overwhelming statement has been that he'll make his presense felt early on. That's a pretty simple statement which I think you could see. You speak about winning a G1 at a home track. Nobody has seen those comments made -- and the only one making them is you. Do the above statements refect that? There was also commentary that Hard Spun should "watch out" or something along those lines.

If Mr. Roman wants to run his horse -- great. I wish him the best of luck. I am sure there are others here who would dispute that, but that too is not the issue. Personally, I truly enjoy seeing people who are passionate about the game go out and love the game and what they are doing. This colt beats the field fair and square -- great. However, that's not what you or Roman have spoke about. All I've heard is making a horse's presense felt. What does this mean and do? Does it translate into perhaps assuring that a race might not be cleanly run?

However, with all of this in mind, what about costing another horse the race -- when taken in the context that one admits they really don't stand a chance or don't belong in the race? Is this horse making his presense felt early on going to try and prove something? To hear the horse's name being called on top? Might he be stinging another horse, who does in fact have a legitimate chance to win -- again, in this context? Will this non-contender, in context, compromise the legitimate chances of a legitimate contender? What's the cost attached to that? It's not about winning a G1 race at one's home track -- you know those comments are not about that, and I know it as well. Are you getting it now?

This is my concern -- and if something like this happens it is not good for the game. It's disgraceful.

You have proven nothing in your foolish position simply by not addressing the facts that you apparently don't get. More importantly, I think you really don't want to get it.

Your blind support of a friend is superceding your common sense.

I am surprised your PR is so well received here.

Eric

[theiman]

I have taken your above post and removed all of the junk that didnt answer the points I made. By the way, you might do well for the Bush administration with your posts.

Here is the only thing that appears to be your point

Mr. Roman himself said that the horse would be make his presense felt early on, even though he felt he wouldn't be anywhere in it at the end. Even Mr. Roman doesn't think the horse belongs in the race, yet the one overwhelming statement has been that he'll make his presense felt early on. That's a pretty simple statement which I think you could see.

Yet over all of the years of racing that I have seen, and I have followed the game since 1970, I have seen rabbits entered, when they dont belong and the race never was made a mockery or a danger to any of the horses. Not only that I have seen rabbits that have won stake races because horses have stayed away from them. Although Mr. Romans horse is not a rabbit for another entry mate he is a horse that may be on the lead or prominent early. If you note I bolded the word may in the last sentance. Mr. Roman can hype, dare or threaten anyone in the race, yet Mr. Roman doesnt ride the horse. Hopefully a skilled jockey will be on the horse and determine whats best for the horse. I doubt Dutrow, as the trainer and an experienced trainer would tell the jockey "I dont care how quick you go, nobody gets by you"

Mr. Roman may have made some statements that are not normally seen in the racing worlds, but he has every right to run his horse, and perhaps ruin his horse. The same way I see plenty of horses that have no business running in the Derby and then never running well or even winning another race again in their careers.

I would think that with Rags To Riches now entered, Digger might not go.

By the way, when was the last time a filly won the Belmont? I can't believe someone would run a filly against boys at 1.5miles in June, on the dirt. She could be ruined as a racehorse.

Enjoy the race this weekend, ELA, I will too.

[blackthroatedwind]

Which " rabbits " have you seen win?

I'm very curious.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Which " rabbits " have you seen win?

I'm very curious.

Andy, please don't instigate him, LOL.

Eric

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Which " rabbits " have you seen win?

I'm very curious.

Angle Light.

[ELA]

So you address my points with selective BS. Nobody is talking about Digger being runied and you know that. More deflection. Your snide remarks about the filly have nothing to do with the issue -- but you spend a great deal of time talking about nonsense that has nothing to do with the issue. All this is is more rationalization, justification and vacillation. No substance of course. Just like the rabbit nonsense. Everyone knows it's his right to race the horse -- everyone, including me as said that, but that's what you are justifying? Deal with the facts that someone puts forth to you, not the ones that everyone has already agreed to. Do it once and it will be your first time. I agree with his right to race the horse. I agree with his passion. That's what the game is about. And -- that is not the issue.

I do really like your effort of substantiating your nonsense with the analogy of a rabbit, then of course stating that of course Digger is not one. I would like to thank you, on behalf of everyone here, for explaining what a rabbit is and the fact that Digger is not one. BTW, what exactly do you call that?

Thanks for the entertainment. If this colt runs someone down on the front end, we'll see how well the publicity goes then. I guess we'll also see how long you stick around here after your PR job is over.

Eric

[hockey2315]

I can't believe you're equating Digger to a rabbit. . . Who's he the rabbit for? What gives Roman the justification to enter a horse to purposely impede a another in a race where he has no other interest other than sabotage? He needs to mind his own business. . .

[The Bid]

Too bad the guy doesnt have a decent horse, he has the moxie to make it interesting.

There are only so many ways for millionaires to get a rush. You can only have so many 50 foot yachts and 800 square foot homes. The only thing left is to buy a horse at Charlestown and enter him in the Belmont stakes.