Digger?!?! Bad news for Hard Spun

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

No guarantee at all but I doubt he was ever going to find another easier G1 this year than that. Skipping it was foolish. CP West ran a very nice race in the Preakness.

CP West ran a terrific race in the Preakness and considering his trip, and premature move along with Hard Spun, I imagine had Circular Quay skipped the race his dwindling group of supporters would have claimed he would have been no worse than third.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

CP West ran a terrific race in the Preakness and considering his trip, and premature move along with Hard Spun, I imagine had Circular Quay skipped the race his dwindling group of supporters would have claimed he would have been no worse than third.

Well, you are totally off if you think I'm in that group. I hate the horse but see a little Jazil in him in terms of rollling out 24-25 fractions that could make him as likely as anybody if Curlin makes an early move or comes up flat in the Belmont.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Well, you are totally off if you think I'm in that group. I hate the horse but see a little Jazil in him in terms of rollling out 24-25 fractions that could make him as likely as anybody if Curlin makes an early move or comes up flat in the Belmont.

Hate?

I was just making an analogy relative to saying " all he had to do was get by Sightseeing " in order to win the Wood in terms of the Preakness.

Jazil showed an affinity for getting a distance and could roll at the end of longer races. Circular Quay has pretty much proven the opposite. He wants less ground....not more.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Hate?

I was just making an analogy relative to saying " all he had to do was get by Sightseeing " in order to win the Wood in terms of the Preakness.

Jazil showed an affinity for getting a distance and could roll at the end of longer races. Circular Quay has pretty much proven the opposite. He wants less ground....not more.

In the relative sense. I don't like Coolmore at all, I find the trainer very hard to root for, and I think he's been vastly overrated off a dream setup in the Hopeful. Do I truly hate him? Of course not. On a comparitive scale of my feelings toward horses with love and hate being the extremes then he falls on the hate end. A scale of like and don't like just seems far too mild to express your opinions.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

In the relative sense. I don't like Coolmore at all, I find the trainer very hard to root for, and I think he's been vastly overrated off a dream setup in the Hopeful. Do I truly hate him? Of course not. On a comparitive scale of my feelings toward horses with love and hate being the extremes then he falls on the hate end. A scale of like and don't like just seems far too mild to express your opinions.

I hear ya. I'm not a fan of Circular Quay either but mostly because of undeserved accolades placed on him. To me he has never run a particularly good race and all his accomplishments were when he was the beneficiary of perfect setups. To me he has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that while a talented horse he is nowhere near as good as some claimed early in his career. Frankly, in his two biggest races he moved right with the eventual winner, Street Sense both times, and got drowned.

I guess I would say I have " hated his chances " in many races......not him. I am, however, sorry that he has not run in more appropriate spots as I am at least curious as to how he would have done.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I hear ya. I'm not a fan of Circular Quay either but mostly because of undeserved accolades placed on him. To me he has never run a particularly good race and all his accomplishments were when he was the beneficiary of perfect setups. To me he has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that while a talented horse he is nowhere near as good as some claimed early in his career. Frankly, in his two biggest races he moved right with the eventual winner, Street Sense both times, and got drowned.

I guess I would say I have " hated his chances " in many races......not him. I am, however, sorry that he has not run in more appropriate spots as I am at least curious as to how he would have done.

I don't see him as being anywhere in the league of Sun King or Silver Wagon so considering they couldn't close and get it done in the Met Mile I don't think he would have been anywhere close. In the Wood I think there was a reasonable chance he could have won. To skip that for the Derby and Preakness where he was overmatched was a foolish decision in my opinion.

[blackthroatedwind]

Sun King's performance had a lot to do with sending a closer inside of horses, and down on a dead fence, and Silver Wagon simply didn't show up.