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[GPK]

Originally Posted by pgardn

That was the 2nd biggest turnaround in NBA basketball.

Pat, I didn't even MENTION the fact they won the NBA championship in Birds 2ND season....


Don't get me wrong...I like Lebron...seems like a great young man. But people just can't compare him and Bird at this stage of their respective careers....it just isn't fair to Lebron.

Originally Posted by GPK

Pat, I didn't even MENTION the fact they won the NBA championship in Birds 2ND season....


Don't get me wrong...I like Lebron...seems like a great young man. But people just can't compare him and Bird at this stage of their respective careers....it just isn't fair to Lebron.

Bird had already played against the best in college. He was very seasoned. Lebron is but a wee 6' 8" 240 lb. manchild. Making babies a bit early imo.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Bird had already played against the best in college. He was very seasoned. Lebron is but a wee 6' 8" 240 lb. manchild. Making babies a bit early imo.

I agree.

I just find it funny that "hourseofcourse" bragged about Lebron having the Cavs at over .500 after two years with the team. Yet Bird had the Celtics winning the whole damn NBA championship in his 2nd year.


No comparison....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GPK

I agree.

I just find it funny that "hourseofcourse" bragged about Lebron having the Cavs at over .500 after two years with the team. Yet Bird had the Celtics winning the whole damn NBA championship in his 2nd year.


No comparison....

Kev they got these 2 guys that year.....you may have heard of them.......Robert Parrish and Kevin McHale....they might have had something to do with that Championship too.....

As much as I hated him. Celtics were nothing without Bird. A case can be made for Bird helping make Parrish, McHale great players. I dont think one can say the reverse. Bird made the whole thing work.

How far would the Spurs go without Duncan? The Spurs would have ZERO championships. Would Parker and Ginobili ever have made an Allstar team... I doubt it.

David Robinson knows he would probably not have made the top 50 alltime list without a championship. And that championship in 1999, required a great rookie. Same with Bird. McHale championships without Bird? I dont think so.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

As much as I hated him. Celtics were nothing without Bird. A case can be made for Bird helping make Parrish, McHale great players. I dont think one can say the reverse. Bird made the whole thing work.

How far would the Spurs go without Duncan? The Spurs would have ZERO championships. Would Parker and Ginobili ever have made an Allstar team... I doubt it.

David Robinson knows he would probably not have made the top 50 alltime list without a championship. And that championship in 1999, required a great rookie. Same with Bird. McHale championships without Bird? I dont think so.

You are kidding right? McHale and Parrish both had post games that complimented Birds as much as he did theirs. McHale was a deadly low post scorer and tough defender. Parrish was a good spot up shooter and tough long armed defender. Both were ferocious rebounders. They would have been Hall of Famers with or without Bird. You cant compare everything with the Spurs!!

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You are kidding right? McHale and Parrish both had post games that complimented Birds as much as he did theirs. McHale was a deadly low post scorer and tough defender. Parrish was a good spot up shooter and tough long armed defender. Both were ferocious rebounders. They would have been Hall of Famers with or without Bird. You cant compare everything with the Spurs!!

No flippin way for Parrish. McHale with the proper team. You have to win some championships. It would not have happened without Bird. How old are you Mr. Simon? I watched Parrish throughout his very long career. If you want to give it to him based on longevity, OK. Parrish is super overrated imo. How many championships without Bird? ZERO Dont you dare count Parrish's championship with the Bulls.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GPK

I agree.

I just find it funny that "hourseofcourse" bragged about Lebron having the Cavs at over .500 after two years with the team. Yet Bird had the Celtics winning the whole damn NBA championship in his 2nd year.


No comparison....

BIRD pts fg% reb asst steals blk to
rookie 21.3 47% 10 4.5 143 53 263
year 2 21.2 47% 10.7 5.5 161 63 289
year 3 22.9 50% 10.9 5.8 143 66 254
year 4 23.6 50% 11 5.8 148 71 240

LeBron
rookie 20.9 41% 5.5 5.9 130 58 273
year 2 27.2 47% 7.4 7.2 177 52 262
year 3 31.4 48% 7.1 6.6 123 66 260
year 4 27.3 48% 7.1 7.0 125 55 250

seems like a pretty close comparison when you consider Bird was 3 years older at every stage...

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by GPK

I agree.

I just find it funny that "hourseofcourse" bragged about Lebron having the Cavs at over .500 after two years with the team. Yet Bird had the Celtics winning the whole damn NBA championship in his 2nd year.


No comparison....

I wasn't bragging...just stating simple facts. Why is it funny?? I'm a Cleveland fan, I was just defending James and mortimer wanted to make funny everything I said. I guess it is funny. James has a nice game is all.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I wasn't bragging...just stating simple facts. Why is it funny?? I'm a Cleveland fan, I was just defending James and mortimer wanted to make funny everything I said. I guess it is funny. James has a nice game is all.

Sorry if that came across the wrong way. I think Lebron has more than a nice game...he is one of the few that I can sit down and actually watched play for more than 5 minutes.