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05-29-2007, 04:57 PM
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I still cant understand why all four of the fillies nominated could not be inducted at once. They are all surefire hall of famers and I cant understand why we only elect one horse per catagory if there are others that are deserving.
I never saw him ride but there is not much in the brief bio that Steve posted that leads me to believe Jonh Sellers should be in the hall. As for Santos, his career peaked 15 years ago and anyone who has watched him ride in the last 10 years certainly wasn't thinking hall of fame. Swoon Song while seemingly a nice horse also does not seem be screaming for induction. Silver Charm was a no brainer and John Veitch trained 4 champions in addition to Alydar in a time where trainers did not have 200 horse stables so I guess he should be in too. 
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05-29-2007, 05:08 PM
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Inside Informaion and Manila are both very deserving.
Manila might be the best turf horse of all the greats I've seen film on....he also has accomplishments to back the talent up---with a 14-11-3-0 record on turf---and a perfect 5-for-5 record in Grade 1 turf races. Manila beat the deepest Breeders Cup Turf field of all-time, and Inside Information obliterated what was very likely the deepest Breeders Cup Distaff field of all-time...running a faster figure than Cigar did in his BC Classic win later on in the card...albeit, that race came over a sloppy track.
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#3
05-29-2007, 05:21 PM
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Wouldn't it be a better system to vote for all the horses that you feel are hall of famers rather than vote against the nominees that are put up next to you? If a horse has Hall of fame credentials then they should be in. If all the nominees are deserving then so be it. As for the people canadates....
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#4
05-29-2007, 05:22 PM
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Of course many of the voters spend as much time and effort as do the drunks at the Yankee game punching out their all star ballots.
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#5
05-29-2007, 05:33 PM
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I agree with you.
I think we need more horses going in and less people. Even a good case could be made for a horse like Best Pal, who was tremendously popular out West. * He was a Multiple Grade 1 winner at age 2. * Won the Pacific Classic as a 3-year-old after a 2nd place finish in the KY Derby earlier in the year. * Won three Grade 1's at age four---including the highest Beyer figure ever published for a Santa Anita Handicap winner. * Won the Hollywood Gold Cup at age 5...and actually ran 2nd in a Grade 1 race on turf. * Was a multiple stakes winner at age 6...including a 2nd place finish in the Pacific Classic. * Won the Grade 2 San Antonio at age 7, including a 2nd place finish in the Santa Anita Handicap. Racked up over $5.6 million in earnings, all in America, throughout the 1990's.
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05-29-2007, 05:35 PM
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05-29-2007, 05:51 PM
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The one who I thought was probably the least worthy was Silverbulletday.
While she totally cleaned out and dominated her own division....the fact that she never was able to score a Graded Stakes win against older fillies and mares...and had quite a few cracks at her elders...should probably be enough to keep her out.
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#8
05-29-2007, 08:26 PM
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#9
05-29-2007, 08:50 PM
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Here's link to tonight's first hour.. Mike Kane of the HOF followed by Peter Fuller: http://www.attheracesandbeyond.com/stream/52907a.mp3
Fuller is a great listen...
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#10
05-29-2007, 09:17 PM
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Best Pal will have a hard time getting into the Hall of Fame because he never won any major stake races East of Arkansas...and he notoriously didn't fire his best races on Breeders Cup day. But he was as honest and hard hitting as race horses come. Based on his career versus Lava Man's as of today....I'd certainly take Best Pal. Lava Man is going to have to win in the East---and even if he does---the fact that many voters might think he was a "move-up" by a trainer without the greatest repute in the game...that might hurt his chances as well.
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