Met Mile

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Lawyer Ron is nothing special in my opinion. . . I like Silent Name, Corinthian, and Half Ours- all prices and all very good horses. . .

Silent Name - never run on real dirt

Corinthian - hasn't run a race around one turn since he was 2, hasn't had to deal with a pace faster than 47 & 3 (except in the race where he had an excuse and lost by 8 l.)

Half Ours - has run in only 2 graded races; won by a half over the world beater Park Avenue Ball (sarcasm intended) at 7f, beaten by Wanderin Boy at 8.5f (2 turns). Handicapping with sales prices?

[pick4]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Silent Name - never run on real dirt

Corinthian - hasn't run a race around one turn since he was 2, hasn't had to deal with a pace faster than 47 & 3 (except in the race where he had an excuse and lost by 8 l.)

Half Ours - has run in only 2 graded races; won by a half over the world beater Park Avenue Ball (sarcasm intended) at 7f, beaten by Wanderin Boy at 8.5f (2 turns). Handicapping with sales prices?

Silent Name has won a Grade 1 mile turf race. Plus he won on the front end on Polycrap in his last. Of course dirt is an unknown for him. At odds of 8-1 or above he's worth a shot. I think he is an interesting horse in this race.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by pick4

Silent Name has won a Grade 1 mile turf race. Plus he won on the front end on Polycrap in his last. Of course dirt is an unknown for him. At odds of 8-1 or above he's worth a shot. I think he is an interesting horse in this race.

Silent name is an instant toss for me, because he hasn't ran on dirt and his pedigree is grass. He hasn't been a real reliable to run back to back winning races. Silent name is not a contender in this race.

Look at Lawyer Ron and Account for the Gold.

[pick4]

I understand your points about Silent Name and that is why I think we need at least 8-1 in order to bet him. But I've explained in past posts that the horse has class. He's won graded stakes on turf and polycrap. His sire was a pretty good horse and was a top sire in Japan. As a lonshot I think he should be included in the mix.

Accountforthegold is a nice horse on the inner dirt or a race where he can control the pace. If you think he's the uncontested controlling front runner you might hit the jackpot. I think he'll just add to the hot pace of this race. That hot pace will be Lawyer Ron's undoing. There will not be an easy slow pace to stalk or lead here the Lawyer Ron.

I believe this race sets up perfectly for Sun King. I think the pace will be demanding and I can see Sun King finally getting his Grade 1 win.

Equibase has Mr. Ump at 3-1 M/L...
That has got to be a mistake.

Anyways I was looking at the Belmont card at Equibase and think I might actually get the PP's and cap it tonight and tomorrow morning and go place some bets at the track. I finally have a bit of time and I recognize some old names I might like to see again.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Equibase has Mr. Ump at 3-1 M/L...
That has got to be a mistake.

Anyways I was looking at the Belmont card at Equibase and think I might actually get the PP's and cap it tonight and tomorrow morning and go place some bets at the track. I finally have a bit of time and I recognize some old names I might like to see again.

Paired with SIlver Wagon

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Paired with SIlver Wagon

Of course... thanks.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Account For The Gold???? I know it isn't wise to throw out anything Contessa sends out right now, but I'll be shocked if he isn't completing the last-second last exacta with Mr. Umphrey

A speed horse that is cutting back in distance is never to be overlooked, and you already mentioned the COntessa factor. It's tough to see him putting up the same number as last out, so I see a slight regression numbers wise. His last out, on the "easy" lead, wasn't as fast as it will be tomorrow. The fractions will be cut out more like his 3rd back when beaten as the heavy favorite. IMO

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

He has absolutely no chance to hit the board tomorrow. He won't be on the lead with Dutrow's rabbit and Half Ours in there. Also take a look at his last, the horse that was second ran dead last against High Finance today and Funny Cide was third. As a New Yorker I like Funny Cide, but come on, he would be lucky to be in the same zip code as some of these horses. If Accountforthegold is in the money tomorrow there needs to be an immediate investigation.

I agree with you... Stands no chance, at every angle. I'll be wagering this race heavily tomorrow. Leaning towards Latent Heat, with Political Force being my value play. I vow to give up horse racing (for a month) if Aftg hits the board, for my handicapping would be deemed worthless to me.

[blackthroatedwind]

I don't know how anyone can look at this race and consider Half Ours a contender. If he was trained by anyone else he would be 30-1. He's impossible here. Where the hell is his good race?

[brianwspencer]

I think Silent Name has every chance to take to the dirt -- and should be heavily considered, along with Sun King and (gulp) Lawyer Ron.

[King Glorious]

I think I'm going with Lawyer Ron for the win over Silent Name with Half Ours third. In the tri, I'll play:

Lawyer Ron/Silent Name/Half Ours
Lawyer Ron/Silent Name/Half Ours
Lawyer Ron/Silent Name/Half Ours/Latent Heat/Corinthian

[pick4]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Account For The Gold???? I know it isn't wise to throw out anything Contessa sends out right now, but I'll be shocked if he isn't completing the last-second last exacta with Mr. Umphrey

The way NY racing is nowadays I agree with you but this time it is different.
This is the Met Mile. Accountforthegold lacks the class and quality to win this prestigious race.

[blackthroatedwind]

AccountfortheGold is more likely to be eased than win this race.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I actually think this is a rather overrated group of horses...and not the "star studded" field that is being so widely reported.

#1 Mr. Umphrey- Is SW's rabbit and has no chance.

#1A Silver Wagon- got the dream trip/setup he projected to get last time out.

#2. Lawyer Ron- Will be overbet off a win against a soft field last time out.

#3. Half Ours- Is overrated, and has the expected fast pace working against him.

#4. Sun King- Is 0-for-12 lifetime in Grade 1 races, his only win in about the last 20 months or so came at the expense of Kazoo.

#5. Accountforthegold- Has the pace working against him...and has a habit of folding when denied the lead.

#6. Latent Heat- While he had a big trip excuse last time, I thought he had real soft trips in his two Southern Cal stake wins.

#7. Political Force- Just isn't all that good.

#8. Corinthian- Had a trip excuse in last--after a pair of soft trip wins in South Florida.

#9. Silent Name- Has never run on a natural dirt surface...and is doing so for the first time in Grade 1 stake company.


Needless to say---this isn't exactly my favorite running of the Met Mile.

[declansharbor]

NOw that you got all of the cons out of the way, what are some of the pros of the race?? lol

I agree, after seeing the nominations, I was ecstatic. It's safe to say it didnt fill up as expected..Bummer, but oh well..

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

NOw that you got all of the cons out of the way, what are some of the pros of the race?? lol

The cons certainly far outweigh the pros in this one.

Silver Wagon and Sun King appear to be the two most likely to get the best setup with all the speed in the race.

Lawyer Ron and Latent Heat appear to have the best chances if the pace turns out slower than expected....but LR will be too short of a price.

Silent Name, who is something of a wildcard, has FAR better dirt breeding than you see for the average horse trying a natural dirt surface for the first time in Grade 1 company.

His 3rd, 4th, and 5th dam were all American stake winners on dirt. His 1st and 2nd dam never had the chance to run over it. Sire Sunday Silence was an all-time great racehorse--making all of his career starts on dirt---however, he's proved to be a little better turf sire.

I give an edge to Silver Wagon as the Met's most likely winner.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I actually think this is a rather overrated group of horses...and not the "star studded" field that is being so widely reported.

#1 Mr. Umphrey- Is SW's rabbit and has no chance.

#1A Silver Wagon- got the dream trip/setup he projected to get last time out.

#2. Lawyer Ron- Will be overbet off a win against a soft field last time out.

#3. Half Ours- Is overrated, and has the expected fast pace working against him.

#4. Sun King- Is 0-for-12 lifetime in Grade 1 races, his only win in about the last 20 months or so came at the expense of Kazoo.

#5. Accountforthegold- Has the pace working against him...and has a habit of folding when denied the lead.

#6. Latent Heat- While he had a big trip excuse last time, I thought he had real soft trips in his two Southern Cal stake wins.

#7. Political Force- Just isn't all that good.

#8. Corinthian- Had a trip excuse in last--after a pair of soft trip wins in South Florida.

#9. Silent Name- Has never run on a natural dirt surface...and is doing so for the first time in Grade 1 stake company.


Needless to say---this isn't exactly my favorite running of the Met Mile.

You just made a case for a competitive race. Thats exactly what most people want to see. No Ghostzapper going off at 2/5. Unless you are saying Silver Wagon will win going away. I am excited cause of the unknowns.

I did enjoy watching Mineshaft absolutley crush 4 and 5 horse fields. But it was not the least bit interesting.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Silent Name - never run on real dirt

Corinthian - hasn't run a race around one turn since he was 2, hasn't had to deal with a pace faster than 47 & 3 (except in the race where he had an excuse and lost by 8 l.)

Half Ours - has run in only 2 graded races; won by a half over the world beater Park Avenue Ball (sarcasm intended) at 7f, beaten by Wanderin Boy at 8.5f (2 turns). Handicapping with sales prices?

Thanks for enlightening me!!!