SUMWON: Game 2nd in Thriller..

[Antitrust32]

not opinions that only agree with the owner, but your seconditis crap is idiotic. She ran an amazing race, yeah she had a great trip but if she would have figured out how to change her leads without weaving she would have been in the winners circle. You seem to forget she only lost by a head and she fought hard. It was pretty spectacular considering she broke her maiden for 15k at mountaineer. I dont own this horse either but she has zero case of seconditis. Shes just finished 2nd to some really nice horses. Chucks only had her for a couple months and hes had to completely re-train her. 50k allowance is a huge purse, she's running at a top level.

gosh

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

not opinions that only agree with the owner, but your seconditis crap is idiotic. She ran an amazing race, yeah she had a great trip but if she would have figured out how to change her leads without weaving she would have been in the winners circle. You seem to forget she only lost by a head and she fought hard. It was pretty spectacular considering she broke her maiden for 15k at mountaineer. I dont own this horse either but she has zero case of seconditis. Shes just finished 2nd to some really nice horses. Chucks only had her for a couple months and hes had to completely re-train her. 50k allowance is a huge purse, she's running at a top level.

gosh

She has ran in 2 races in which she had a somewhat easy trip and got 2nd...and had a perfect set up..and ran 2nd. Sounds like seconditis to me. It's not like its a bad thing...still collecting some nice checks with decent purses. She obviosuly is running in the right place and has been spotted very well by Simon in her last two.


Christ...its just one person's opinion. It's not like I am on here saying that some of the outlandish things being said at times are crap. These people have every right to state what they think..just like me.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

EASY... "RICHARD" HEAD...YOUR JUST HATEN CUZ WE HAVE A NICE HORSE AND YOUR OPINION MEANS NOTHING...SHE DID NOT GET A GOOD TRIP....JUST LEAVE IT ALONE DUDE..

i have to agree she had a good trip. Rated nicely made a great move, her problem was changing her leads. If that would have happened 'correctly', ya'll would have a picture.

just wondering (not being a richard) why do you feel she didnt have a good trip?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

bumped at the start ...the 6 fanned her out she had a horses on either side of her sandwitched at the 8th pole then came back to the winner..not what id call a perfect trip

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

bumped at the start ...the 6 fanned her out she had a horses on either side of her sandwitched at the 8th pole then came back to the winner..not what id call a perfect trip

Thats fine DUDE.

I thought she had a perfect set up. You didnt.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

bumped at the start ...the 6 fanned her out she had a horses on either side of her sandwitched at the 8th pole then came back to the winner..not what id call a perfect trip

listen pal ive seen more than my share of races....for you to tell me anything about a trip is pretty funny..so thats all ive got to say to you sir

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

listen pal ive seen more than my share of races....for you to tell me anything about a trip is pretty funny..so thats all ive got to say to you sir

You are really being ridiculous. I am not going to get into a pissing contest with you on who has seen more races.

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

You are really being ridiculous. I am not going to get into a pissing contest with you on who has seen more races.

I think your assment of the race is correct .I may be wrong but the seconditis term refers to a horse that dosnt give the effort to win and settles for secon. Sum1 dosent settle for second. She may get beat,but she battles all the way and ends up second. She is by no means a quiter that settles for minor placing.Im not a part of the partnership but I think they have one with some talent a lotta heart.

[hockey2315]

a perfect trip doesn't guarantee victory. . . that's the part of your argument that doesn't make sense. . .

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

bumped at the start ...the 6 fanned her out she had a horses on either side of her sandwitched at the 8th pole then came back to the winner..not what id call a perfect trip

yeah, maybe not perfect but it was a good trip. it is a horse race after all! she rated real nice i was impressed, and i was totally impressed with her courage, a lil' different lead change would have been all it took for a win.

I watched the race with a guy who's been in the biz his whole life. He said that when he started 50k was a decent stakes race. Also, to take a horse from the "bottom" ranks (where sumwon started) to finish a head out in a good allowance at churchill is rarely done (without the help of pletcher/allday of course).

You guys have yourselves a heck of a filly

[Storm Cadet]

Just got home and watched the race replay...another great effort in a tough race. Man this horse is a tough gutsy competitor!

Congrats to Steve, Chuck and all the owners. You should all be VERY proud. Keep it going...and keep getting those nice checks!

[2 Dollar Bill]

Looking at the chart, (didnt see the race live ) .. It looks like she did again battle, pick up a nice check, and I hope she came back safe & sound. Im glad im along for this ride !!!!!!

[golfer]

She ran fantastic, game as hell.. got bumped out of the gate, and bumped top of the stretch, which certainly didn't help.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

EASY... "RICHARD" HEAD...YOUR JUST HATEN CUZ WE HAVE A NICE HORSE AND YOUR OPINION MEANS NOTHING...SHE DID NOT GET A GOOD TRIP....JUST LEAVE IT ALONE DUDE..

Again with the names. I wont go all postal and drop down to your level. I could care less that you own the horse. I love the thinking on here.....if someone agrees with you they have a great opinion..if they disagree their opinion means nothing. You sound like a bit of a child.

In all honesty if you didnt see todays trip as a very good/perfect one than either you are being blinded by your involvement/ or have not seen too many races.

I guess Steve should lock certain threads like these to only people who all agree.

Good luck with everything......DUDE.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

So I've sat this out, but now I think everyone needs to relax. I don't think Stone intended to come across as "hating" on Sumwon. He was just stating how he saw the race. No need to go all crazy on him. His post wasn't out of jealousy, just how he saw it.

Sumwon ran a gutsy race, Chuck found a nice one and good luck in the future with her.

Thank you. You are exactly 100 percent right. If the horse won I woulda posted CONGRATS. Just posting what I saw.

Certain people on here are being ridiculous with their attacks. They are being downright childish and I aint gonna drop to their level. It's not like I am saying anything negative.

I should just stay to conversing with my good buddy DrugS.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You've certainly had an eventful week on the message board circuit.

LOL. You aren't kidding.


I am tired man. I do come on with good intentions..then things go all crazy and we hit Defcon 5.


Maybe I need an editor. Or maybe just stop saying what I think.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

It was another nice effort....that's for sure.

Stone Grossard and I have had our differences---but, based on the fact that Sumwonlovesyou now has a career record of 6-1-5-0 in her lifetime starts over a fast main track---with her lone win coming at 3/5 odds---of course a nutrual observer has a right to speculate that the horse might be a "seconditis" type.

However, I haven't seen film on her prior---and, IMO, she was just beaten by a little better horse on both occasions. There is a reason why the winner today was a 3/5 favorite--and she was a 5/1 shot.

Inspite of the five seconds from six career tries on a fast main track stat---I believe NOTHING she's done in her last two races anyway, stamps her as the kind of horse who has charchter issues.

Most "seconditis" horses have these charachter issues---but, sometimes, they are just unlucky to find one a little better...and that's probably the case here--at least off of what I've seen in her last two.

Certainly a great effort---and I'm glad for Steve and Chuck and all of the partners.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It was another nice effort....that's for sure.

Stone Grossard and I have had our differences---but, based on the fact that Sumwonlovesyou now has a career record of 6-1-5-0 in her lifetime starts over a fast main track---with her lone win coming at 3/5 odds---of course a nutrual observer has a right to speculate that the horse might be a "seconditis" type.

However, I haven't seen film on her prior---and, IMO, she was just beaten by a little better horse on both occasions. There is a reason why the winner today was a 3/5 favorite--and she was a 5/1 shot.

Inspite of the five seconds from six career tries on a fast main track stat---I believe NOTHING she's done in her last two races anyway, stamps her as the kind of horse who has charchter issues.

Most "seconditis" horses have these charachter issues---but, sometimes, they are just unlucky to find one a little better...and that's probably the case here--at least off of what I've seen in her last two.

Certainly a great effort---and I'm glad for Steve and Chuck and all of the partners.

My only problem with you is you can't spell my name correct.

I would ask that Mr. Stonegossard stay on board please.

This is a board full of characters.
New people giving insight is fine with most of us.
I think it is interesting that some of the people that are a bit critical have been in much larger cat fights including myself. I appreciate new blood.


Just dont go Morty on us. Does Morty even like horses?

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I would ask that Mr. Stonegossard stay on board please.

This is a board full of characters.
New people giving insight is fine with most of us.
I think it is interesting that some of the people that are a bit critical have been in much larger cat fights including myself. I appreciate new blood.


Just dont go Morty on us. Does Morty even like horses?

I have been fortunate (or unfortunate) to know Morty from the old DRF board...for a long time. Might explain some of my behavior.