Ridiculous (AOL equates pit fighting/racing)

[fpsoxfan]

Well it's interesting we just had a recent thread where we discussed the worst spills we've ever seen. The experiences that people shared were very heartfelt. So there certainly isn't anyone in our sport that participates to see a horse suffer. No normal human being can take any joy in seeing a horse fall or break down. Now Dogfighting on the other hand is an amusement for sick folks that want to see one animal do harm to another. How the author of this ridiculous article can make a connection between the two is beyond my comprehension. In the end I wouldn't make too much of it. He can have his say. I certainly don't agree with him/her, but he/she is obviously a very confused human being.

[fpsoxfan]

Just for the record...I had edited my signature days before this story came out.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Just for the record...I had edited my signature days before this story came out.

That signature is a little different!

[Riot]

The "animal rights" movement in the US is strong and frankly, quite dangerous.

There is a huge difference between the concepts of animal rights and animal welfare. I think it's quite important for people to be quite clear in their minds where they, themselves, stand - and from where authors or speakers are coming from when these topics are discussed.

For example, there is currently a bill in committee in CA that makes it mandatory that any dog or cat living in the state be spayed/neutered. Sounds fairly harmless, no? But the ultimate intent and result of this bill, if it is passed, is the elimination of private ownership of pets in CA. Last year, a bill taking away the right to hunt was narrowly defeated in that state.

PETA has long been recognized by the FBI as a domestic terrorist organization, and The Humane Society of the United States, under president Wayne Parcell, has the publically stated goal of eliminating all private ownership of dogs and cats in the US.

Neither organization, although taking in millions of dollars in donations from well-intentioned folks wanting to "help animals", does anything in the least to help animals. Their intent is quite the opposite.

Horse racing hasn't yet been the focused target of either of these organizations (it's a power/money issue) - but it will be some day.

I urge anyone with a serious or vested interest in animal welfare to be very, very cautious, and very, very well-educated, about what "causes" or "groups" one supports, when it comes to "animal" issues.

[FGFan]

Originally Posted by Riot

The "animal rights" movement in the US is strong and frankly, quite dangerous.

There is a huge difference between the concepts of animal rights and animal welfare. I think it's quite important for people to be quite clear in their minds where they, themselves, stand - and from where authors or speakers are coming from when these topics are discussed.

For example, there is currently a bill in committee in CA that makes it mandatory that any dog or cat living in the state be spayed/neutered. Sounds fairly harmless, no? But the ultimate intent and result of this bill, if it is passed, is the elimination of private ownership of pets in CA. Last year, a bill taking away the right to hunt was narrowly defeated in that state.

PETA has long been recognized by the FBI as a domestic terrorist organization, and The Humane Society of the United States, under president Wayne Parcell, has the publically stated goal of eliminating all private ownership of dogs and cats in the US.

Neither organization, although taking in millions of dollars in donations from well-intentioned folks wanting to "help animals", does anything in the least to help animals. Their intent is quite the opposite.

Horse racing hasn't yet been the focused target of either of these organizations (it's a power/money issue) - but it will be some day.

I urge anyone with a serious or vested interest in animal welfare to be very, very cautious, and very, very well-educated, about what "causes" or "groups" one supports, when it comes to "animal" issues.

Hey Riot, apparently we think alike.
I fight the bunny huggers all the time.
And in the UK there are a number of groups that are fighting horseracing.
Did you know PETA had their guy in a bear suit following the Queen around so the bear was at the Derby.
And how bout the polar bear baby deal, they can't even make up their own minds.
We have to fight them. We have several pieces of legislation we are monitoring down here.
Keep fightin them riot, I always am.

[Riot]

[quote=FGFan]And in the UK there are a number of groups that are fighting horseracing. QUOTE]

In the UK "they" have already eliminated the Waterloo Cup.

[quote=FGFan] Did you know PETA had their guy in a bear suit following the Queen around so the bear was at the Derby. QUOTE]

I have been more worried, over the past 20 years, about PETA's long history of funding arson and murder.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Riot

The "animal rights" movement in the US is strong and frankly, quite dangerous.

There is a huge difference between the concepts of animal rights and animal welfare. I think it's quite important for people to be quite clear in their minds where they, themselves, stand - and from where authors or speakers are coming from when these topics are discussed.

For example, there is currently a bill in committee in CA that makes it mandatory that any dog or cat living in the state be spayed/neutered. Sounds fairly harmless, no? But the ultimate intent and result of this bill, if it is passed, is the elimination of private ownership of pets in CA. Last year, a bill taking away the right to hunt was narrowly defeated in that state.

PETA has long been recognized by the FBI as a domestic terrorist organization, and The Humane Society of the United States, under president Wayne Parcell, has the publically stated goal of eliminating all private ownership of dogs and cats in the US.

Neither organization, although taking in millions of dollars in donations from well-intentioned folks wanting to "help animals", does anything in the least to help animals. Their intent is quite the opposite.

Horse racing hasn't yet been the focused target of either of these organizations (it's a power/money issue) - but it will be some day.

I urge anyone with a serious or vested interest in animal welfare to be very, very cautious, and very, very well-educated, about what "causes" or "groups" one supports, when it comes to "animal" issues.

I didn't get to read the article cause I don't link to AOL.
Maybe someone could post it.
Is there an opinion about greyhounds? Cock fighting? Siamese fighting fish (betas)?
Heck, I even bet on male rats in a cage if there's a female rat nearby.
So, what's the problem?
President Bush is even betting with humans in Iraq and Afghanistan.
What's the difference?
The amount of the bet or the amount of the blood?
Hmmmmmm.....

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

That signature is a little different!

Old line from NORM on Cheers

[Riot]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

How the author of this ridiculous article can make a connection between the two is beyond my comprehension. In the end I wouldn't make too much of it. He can have his say. I certainly don't agree with him/her, but he/she is obviously a very confused human being.

I do not think that author's opinion is necessarily a minority representation within opinions held by the general public.

I have had clients appalled that I have and breed coursing dogs. That I allow to course.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Riot

I do not think that author's opinion is necessarily a minority representation within opinions held by the general public.

I have had clients appalled that I have and breed coursing dogs. That I allow to course.

You are absolutley right insofar as his topic, but his connection that he's trying to make is WAY off base and I find it hard to believe that many other people would share that convoluted viewpoint. These smucks from PETA would rather see human die before an animal.

[FGFan]

Originally Posted by Riot

I do not think that author's opinion is necessarily a minority representation within opinions held by the general public.

I have had clients appalled that I have and breed coursing dogs. That I allow to course.

Unfortunately it is not the minority, it is fast becoming the majority. Not about dog fighting, Dog fighting is a felony period. Whatever Vick is thinking he cannot do it in his backyard. Even in my heathen state where cockfighting is still legal for the minute. It will be banned by the end of this session. But realistically let's see chickens hmmmm, I could care less.
But here's the thing, you get a blog like that on AOL, next thing ya know we have the bunnyhuggers protesting at the racetrack.
I have spent 1/2 a lifetime fighting against the animal RIGHTS activists. And they grow every day.
The thin line grows thinner every day.

[docicu3]

The only way you hurt these guys at AOL is to remove any dollar that supports their revenue.

I have just switched my account to "free" from basic which I should have done anyway months ago.

Please join me in doing the same..........

Horses Racing is about as close to Dog Fighting as a high school prom is to the marathon dance competitions of the depression.

[Lava]

Originally Posted by docicu3

The only way you hurt these guys at AOL is to remove any dollar that supports their revenue.

I have just switched my account to "free" from basic which I should have done anyway months ago.

Please join me in doing the same..........

Horses Racing is about as close to Dog Fighting as a high school prom is to the marathon dance competitions of the depression.

I just switched.

[hi_im_god]

aol? in 2007?

why on earth does anyone still pay for something they don't need? all they do is plug you into a local isp and then charge you extra.

you don't really need to find offensive content before you quit. just stop being a sap that pays more than everyone else for an internet connection.

[horseofcourse]

Personally, I enjoy articles like this. It is supposedly what makes this country great...free speech and people to voice opinions whether we agree with them or not. No matter how much these animal rights groups scream, I am not really worried some jack booted thug is going to knock at my door and take my two dogs away from me. Of course dog fighting is inhumane and cruel...but no matter how much we disagree with articles such as this, there is some cruelty that goes on in horse racing by only a very few involved in the sport and very, very few "on purpose" deaths (Alydar)...unlike the dog fighting game. I will be very sad when I can no longer see written words from people who think differently than me. Then we are in trouble.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

No matter how much these animal rights groups scream, I am not really worried some jack booted thug is going to knock at my door and take my two dogs away from me. .

Then don't move to Denver or Ontario.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Riot

Then don't move to Denver or Ontario.

I don't get it...what goes on in Denver and ONtario???

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Personally, I enjoy articles like this. It is supposedly what makes this country great...free speech and people to voice opinions whether we agree with them or not. No matter how much these animal rights groups scream, I am not really worried some jack booted thug is going to knock at my door and take my two dogs away from me. Of course dog fighting is inhumane and cruel...but no matter how much we disagree with articles such as this, there is some cruelty that goes on in horse racing by only a very few involved in the sport and very, very few "on purpose" deaths (Alydar)...unlike the dog fighting game. I will be very sad when I can no longer see written words from people who think differently than me. Then we are in trouble.

I agree that everybody is entitled to thier own opinions. The article is crap, but for AOL to put it out to the world in that type of forum really bothers me. This article has gotten tons of exposure today. So it would not suprise me to see the PETA morons at some racetrack this weekend, with pictures of broken down horses causing trouble because some idiot compared it to dog fighting. Then who knows what kind of snowball effect you can have. Look at uproar IMUS caused with a stupid comment. You get these crazy people with no life and no job (PETA and Al Sharpton types) and they have nothing better to do then try to ruin people and livelyhoods. I also refuse to give AOL another dollar of my money for giving this uneducated person the grand forum that he recieved.

[miraja2]

The only thing in horse racing that comes close to being as violent as the life and death struggles in dog-fighting is what Jose Santos used to do to any horse he was on that had the audacity to flash some early speed.
Other than that though.....it seems like a pretty bad comparison.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I agree that everybody is entitled to thier own opinions. The article is crap, but for AOL to put it out to the world in that type of forum really bothers me. This article has gotten tons of exposure today. So it would not suprise me to see the PETA morons at some racetrack this weekend, with pictures of broken down horses causing trouble because some idiot compared it to dog fighting. Then who knows what kind of snowball effect you can have. Look at uproar IMUS caused with a stupid comment. You get these crazy people with no life and no job (PETA and Al Sharpton types) and they have nothing better to do then try to ruin people and livelyhoods. I also refuse to give AOL another dollar of my money for giving this uneducated person the grand forum that he recieved.

MaTH,
You are correct. PETA will milk this "comparison" for full effect, just like the major media outlets milked Barbaro's breakdown in last year's Preakness.
I lost count after I'd seen it 50 times.
Heck, we even got a chance to see it again this year.
Was that before or after Mending Fences went down? They showed that one a few times also.
AOL and the major networks aren't "horse racing" friendly. They go way beyond the races to generate idiots with big hearts and small minds.
Just my opinion.
BTW...my horses live better than some people.