Clinton Portis

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

No ripping but I disagree. As a long time PETA member and someone who worked for years in horse rescue, I've seen the dark underbelly of racing...there are folks who should be banned from the sport as they don't give a damn about the welfare of the horses, I could spend days relating horror stories...that said, most folks in the sport love horses and really do care about them. I'm not talking about degenerate gamblers who only see a number and care only if they cash or not, but I worked on the backstretch, it's a tough life, dirty, long hours, little money...you only do it if you love horses! Anything that involves people has it's share of bad folk but, as a whole, I think people who work in racing with the horses are among the best people I've ever met. The object of racing isn't cruelty, it isn't torture, it isn't totally disregarding the preciousness of life...dog fighting, coc-k fighting, bull fights are all human perversion. They are in no way the same as racing. And...they are against the law. Portis and his like don't get that...I worked in the prisons for ten years, I heard it every day, "Other people do it, it isn't fair that I'm being punished" That is a morally bandrupt point of view...we all have free will, we make our own choices and we are each responsible for our actions. A dog isn't property, neither is a horse, chicken, cow or any animal...they are living beings and their lives are sacred. Man has dominion over the animals, we eat meat and use their hides but we have no right to torture them or kill them simply for enjoyment. It is a fact that kids who torture and kill animals often go on to exhibit extreme sociopathic behavior...an early warning sign of a budding serial killer is his/her killing of neighborhood pets. This isn't just some unimportant entertainment or cultural
issue...this is serious stuff!

My point about Portis is he isn't involved in it. He said something stupid. That is hardly high crimes and misdemeanors. Many race horses have in fact been killed for our enjoyment. Was it on purpose? no, of course not, but many have been killed for the express purpose of our enjoyment. Every cow and chicken is killed for the purpose of our enjoyment...period. That is if you consider eating enjoyable and I actually do which to me means they are killed for our enjoyment. Didn't our current president blow up frogs?? He's not a serial killer (alledgedly!)

I enjoy trying to defend the seemingly indefensible. It is a challenge.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

My point about Portis is he isn't involved in it. He said something stupid. That is hardly high crimes and misdemeanors. Many race horses have in fact been killed for our enjoyment. Was it on purpose? no, of course not, but many have been killed for the express purpose of our enjoyment. Every cow and chicken is killed for the purpose of our enjoyment...period. That is if you consider eating enjoyable and I actually do which to me means they are killed for our enjoyment. Didn't our current president blow up frogs?? He's not a serial killer (alledgedly!)

I enjoy trying to defend the seemingly indefensible. It is a challenge.

I respect your efforts! Eating is sorta necessary and, by natural evolution, mankind is a carnivorous species, we may find it enjoyable but it is also necessary. Whether our current President is a serial killer or not depends on who you talk to (DTS would say yes) but clearly I'm not saying killing frogs constitutes serial killing...I merely stated the fact that many start with domestic animals before moving on to human prey...in fact, when we looked at backgrounds of sociopathic patients, we always started with whether there was animal abuse.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I respect your efforts! Eating is sorta necessary and, by natural evolution, mankind is a carnivorous species, we may find it enjoyable but it is also necessary. Whether our current President is a serial killer or not depends on who you talk to (DTS would say yes) but clearly I'm not saying killing frogs constitutes serial killing...I merely stated the fact that many start with domestic animals before moving on to human prey...in fact, when we looked at backgrounds of sociopathic patients, we always started with whether there was animal abuse.

Yup! He is!
He's also a war criminal.
How can so many people find sympathy for dogs but not children that have to deal with mines, cluster bombs, and the torture and death of their parents?

[Danzig]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6852866

vick a 'heavyweight' in dog fighting.....

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Saw that this morning. That Vick's a real great guy. Hopefully Goodell doesn't give Vick a pass here.

Again, he hasn't even been charged yet and he's innocent until proven guilty but IF this report is true, I stand behind my original point that a lifetime ban must be imposed!

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Somer, I hear what you are saying and all, but my mind is made up. I don't have a lot of faith in the justice system, see OJ Simpson, but even after the initial report came out, Vick has been an a sshole. Showing absolutely no class, not that I expected anything else. Trying to play the poor me game. It's no coincidence that his name is constantly in the press negatively, usually where there's smoke, there's fire.

I know, but being a jerk doesn't make him guilty of dog fighting...certainly he's acting the part and I'm afraid dog fighting among NFL athletes may be more common than we dare think...I certainly won't be surprised if appearances preceed guilt here BUT he still has to be convicted. OJ was another story...I have my personal thoughts about his guilt/innocence but I really think I'd have had trouble voting guilty based on the performance of the prosecution...they simply blew what appeared a lock conviction.

[skippy3481]

Somer why should he be banned from the nfl for this. What makes this felony any worse then the other random felonies that many nfl players commit. Personally, I think the guy is a complete ass, but i fail to see why conviction for dog fighting should get him banned from his job.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

Somer why should he be banned from the nfl for this. What makes this felony any worse then the other random felonies that many nfl players commit. Personally, I think the guy is a complete ass, but i fail to see why conviction for dog fighting should get him banned from his job.

Two points here...I think any felony conviction should exclude a player from playing in the NFL (I would exclude convictions prior to that player joining the league...considering them on an individual basis)...if you can't behave in a civilized manner, I see no reason why the NFL should employ you. Secondly, the penalty in Va for this crime is 5 years...if convicted I see no reason why that shouldn't be his sentence. I worked all my life in the social service field...I had to undergo background checks every time I changed employers and believe me, if I was convicted of a felony while employed..I'd have been history. I struggled with a modest income...why should some guy making millions be held to a lower standard? Nobody has a "right" to play pro ball, if the NFL is serious about cleaning up it's house, it has to make folks responsible for their behavior!