Two of three are going to the Belmont

[skippy3481]

Hard spun does not need to be stretched out any farther, if anything a reduction in distance would do wonders for this horse. He could be a very very very good miler.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

Hard spun does not need to be stretched out any farther, if anything a reduction in distance would do wonders for this horse. He could be a very very very good miler.

That's nonsense. He's by freaking Danzig. Just because a horse tired after setting the pace in the Derby, then tired after a premature move in the Preakness, that doesn't mean he can't get 12 furlongs. I think it's a good move by Jones, he just has to get him to relax a little.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

That's nonsense. He's by freaking Danzig. Just because a horse tired after setting the pace in the Derby, then tired after a premature move in the Preakness, that doesn't mean he can't get 12 furlongs. I think it's a good move by Jones, he just has to get him to relax a little.

I agree with you that he can get 12F but I think it has more to do with his Dam's side than his daddy. . .

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I agree with you that he can get 12F but I think it has more to do with his Dam's side than his daddy. . .

danzigs the world over get 12f--and more.

[Bobby Fischer]

Danzig, Turkish Trist, Turkoman, Dosage Figures, Conduit Mare figures, Bris numbers, your best guess, my best guess.......

Hard Spun has the pedigree to get 12 furlongs. In fact his pedigree is so distance favoring that he should have a distinct advantage over others as we increase the distance.

The other factor that determines distance capabilities is Running Style. You can't make a middle move and win a top race past a mile and a sixteenth. You can win the Belmont Stakes from the front, but Hard Spun/Pino will have to rate the pace.
I never assume a horse/jockey is going to learn a new trick, when facing a new challenge, but it happens once in a blue moon.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

That's nonsense. He's by freaking Danzig. Just because a horse tired after setting the pace in the Derby, then tired after a premature move in the Preakness, that doesn't mean he can't get 12 furlongs. I think it's a good move by Jones, he just has to get him to relax a little.

bingo, with the right training I don't see why he couldn't be a real factor at 12F. He may not win it because he may not be as fast as a Curlin, but I wouldn't say he has no shot and I wouldn't expect what I think many people expect, and that is that Hard Spun would collapse badly. If he runs relaxed he can go a long way.

Any jockey but Pino. Hell, Kevin Krigger looked like a better choice than Pino with his rides at Suffolk today.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Any jockey but Pino. Hell, Kevin Krigger looked like a better choice than Pino with his rides at Suffolk today.

How about Sally Mitchellhill? She's tearing it up at Calder.

[slotdirt]

I think ateam hit the nail on the head. I think Hard Spun can definitely be a factor, especially considering who we think will be heading to Belmont.

[Rileyoriley]

The pace is usually slower in the belmont as well so that would benefit Hard Spun. I think the rest that are planning to go are either raters or closers. The only one I don't know is the french horse mentioned on the bloodhorse website.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

bingo, with the right training I don't see why he couldn't be a real factor at 12F. He may not win it because he may not be as fast as a Curlin, but I wouldn't say he has no shot and I wouldn't expect what I think many people expect, and that is that Hard Spun would collapse badly. If he runs relaxed he can go a long way.

Jim, I agree that it would be foolish to say that he will "collapse badly" but when you say "if he runs relaxed"......that seems like a very big "if" to me.
That is the part I don't think he can do.