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Old 07-05-2006, 02:10 PM
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Well I guess I have a small mind then, because his death makes me happy. I just wished he had a more painful death. Eleanor Roosevelt was a great woman but nobody every stole her retirement money, in fact her retirement money was given to her at birth.
Your words say more about you than anyone else can...I hope that bitterness subsides before it consumes you! Glad you aren't in my shoes...just wish I wasn't...but even my situation will change, it always does!
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Old 07-05-2006, 02:15 PM
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Your words say more about you than anyone else can...I hope that bitterness subsides before it consumes you! Glad you aren't in my shoes...just wish I wasn't...but even my situation will change, it always does!
The guy stole a fortune from people, ruined their lives, and then put it all into life insurance and annuities instead of giving it back. If he admitted to what he did and gave back the money then I might have a little sympathy. The fact is he was a criminal right up until the day he died. The guy is worse than garbage and so is his wife and family who will be living like royalty on money they stole from working people.
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Old 07-05-2006, 02:24 PM
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I just wish he invested some of that dirty money into our industry before he croaked.....after second thought, nevermind that...we don't need any more corrupt people in our gane than there already are...RIP, Ken..for you'll always be known as the most shamed CEO in the history of commerce...Anyone believe in karma?
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Old 07-05-2006, 02:28 PM
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The guy stole a fortune from people, ruined their lives, and then put it all into life insurance and annuities instead of giving it back. If he admitted to what he did and gave back the money then I might have a little sympathy. The fact is he was a criminal right up until the day he died. The guy is worse than garbage and so is his wife and family who will be living like royalty on money they stole from working people.

We are talking about different things....I have no love for what the man did, I know what it's like to be taken advantage of by folks you trust and to suddenly find yourself with nothing...believe me! My only point was clearly stated...there is no joy in the death of a man/woman!
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Old 07-05-2006, 03:30 PM
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We are talking about different things....I have no love for what the man did, I know what it's like to be taken advantage of by folks you trust and to suddenly find yourself with nothing...believe me! My only point was clearly stated...there is no joy in the death of a man/woman!
It is too bad he didn't get to live the ripe old age of 90.....IN JAIL.
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Old 07-05-2006, 03:38 PM
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The guy stole a fortune from people, ruined their lives, and then put it all into life insurance and annuities instead of giving it back. If he admitted to what he did and gave back the money then I might have a little sympathy. The fact is he was a criminal right up until the day he died. The guy is worse than garbage and so is his wife and family who will be living like royalty on money they stole from working people.
He'll be judged by someone higher up than yourself...

Until then, don't judge.
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Old 07-05-2006, 03:41 PM
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He'll be judged by someone higher up than yourself...

Until then, don't judge.
Cajun I don't get into my religious beliefs or much personal on here but you summed up my thoughts exactly. If you asked me whether I was more worried about being judged by some folks on the derbytrail message board or God, I'd have to say that one is a joke and the other is the most serious of all matters.
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Old 07-05-2006, 03:47 PM
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Cajun I don't get into my religious beliefs or much personal on here but you summed up my thoughts exactly. If you asked me whether I was more worried about being judged by some folks on the derbytrail message board or God, I'd have to say that one is a joke and the other is the most serious of all matters.
Agreed. I don't wish death upon anyone... it's not my place to decide someone's punishment. I couldn't stand the guy, but I believe there is good even in people that are evil (although we don't always see it.)
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Old 07-05-2006, 04:05 PM
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He'll be judged by someone higher up than yourself...

Until then, don't judge.

Lets hope so. I am a deist and tend not to believe in an afterlife but it would be nice if there was one. Sadly, he will probably just rot in the ground.
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Old 07-05-2006, 04:09 PM
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Lets hope so. I am a deist and tend not to believe in an afterlife but it would be nice if there was one. Sadly, he will probably just rot in the ground.
Here is my opinion on that...

It is better to believe in something and THEN find out it isn't real than to NOT believe in something only to find out that it IS. Why not have your bases covered? JMO...
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Old 07-05-2006, 04:19 PM
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Here is my opinion on that...

It is better to believe in something and THEN find out it isn't real than to NOT believe in something only to find out that it IS. Why not have your bases covered? JMO...

People should believe whatever they want. I have traveled abroad and seen terrible things and extreme poverty and it is hard for me to believe that if there was a just God that any american or person of wealth would find a place in heaven. There is slave labor throughout the world so americans can buy cheap goods, but nobody cares. The fact is that terrible things happen to good people and great things happen to terrible people. Sadly, life is 99% chance of where you are born and what talents/gifts you are born with. Just my opinion though.
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Old 07-05-2006, 04:26 PM
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People should believe whatever they want. I have traveled abroad and seen terrible things and extreme poverty and it is hard for me to believe that if there was a just God that any american or person of wealth would find a place in heaven. There is slave labor throughout the world so americans can buy cheap goods, but nobody cares. The fact is that terrible things happen to good people and great things happen to terrible people. Sadly, life is 99% chance of where you are born and what talents/gifts you are born with. Just my opinion though.
Terrible things happen to good people, yes... but it doesn't always work out that way, ruler. Sometimes GREAT things happen to good people as well. Here is a quote that I always admired and believed in:

"It’s a wonder I haven’t abandoned all my ideals, they seem so absurd and impractical. Yet I cling to them because I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart.

It’s utterly impossible for me to build my life on a foundation of chaos, suffering and death. I see the world being slowly transformed into a wilderness, I hear the approaching thunder that, one day, will destroy us too, I feel the suffering of millions. And yet, when I look up at the sky, I somehow feel that everything will change for the better, that this cruelty too shall end, that peace and tranquility will return once more." - Anne Frank
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Old 07-05-2006, 06:30 PM
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Here is my opinion on that...

It is better to believe in something and THEN find out it isn't real than to NOT believe in something only to find out that it IS. Why not have your bases covered? JMO...
problem is, you won't KNOW if heaven doesn't exist...cause you'll be dead. sorry if that sounds a bit DOWN....
but, if you only want to cover bases, than how strong is your faith? not saying this to you to single you out, it's a hypothetical ? really....i've heard others say the same thing, and just wonder--how is that really believing? doesn't seem like it to me.
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Old 07-05-2006, 08:28 PM
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problem is, you won't KNOW if heaven doesn't exist...cause you'll be dead. sorry if that sounds a bit DOWN....
but, if you only want to cover bases, than how strong is your faith? not saying this to you to single you out, it's a hypothetical ? really....i've heard others say the same thing, and just wonder--how is that really believing? doesn't seem like it to me.
Danzig,
I'm not too sure I can answer your question. I can't give you belief.
That's completely up to you and your "free choice".
As for me, I have tried to follow the words of Jesus, as I believe.
"What does it profit a man to gain the riches of world, and lose his soul?"

It's not for me to judge.
Ken Lay made his choices.
Hey, that's what life gives you an opportunity to do.
Covering bases isn't "faith". It's more like betting "all" in the last leg of the
P-6. "Faith" means you single each of them...and then when you score, you give away your winnings, not just to your friends at a fancy dinner, but also to the others that have real need.
Just my two cents...

How long do any of us have to dance around on this planet?
Make the best and most of it.
Harm others less, help them more....
That's what I believe.
For sure, we'll all find out soon enough.

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Old 07-05-2006, 04:11 PM
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Man, a man is dead. He commited a crime(s) and was found guilty in a court of law. He was to be sentenced in October, punishment for his crime(s). He dies of a heart attack and leaves behind a family that will never see him again. I ask you this

Did he murder? Did he rape? I for one am not glad he died, but in all honesty, I don't care. I don't know him, just know of him. I feel for his family, loved ones. But in all honesty, depending on what you believe, he may or may not be in a better place. Let him be, it is not right at all to say the things that some are saying about someone who is dead and not of the likes of a terrorist, rapist, murderer etc..
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Old 07-05-2006, 05:10 PM
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Man, a man is dead. He commited a crime(s) and was found guilty in a court of law. He was to be sentenced in October, punishment for his crime(s). He dies of a heart attack and leaves behind a family that will never see him again. I ask you this

Did he murder? Did he rape? I for one am not glad he died, but in all honesty, I don't care. I don't know him, just know of him. I feel for his family, loved ones. But in all honesty, depending on what you believe, he may or may not be in a better place. Let him be, it is not right at all to say the things that some are saying about someone who is dead and not of the likes of a terrorist, rapist, murderer etc..
no he screwed 300,000 or so people out of the pentions they worked for for 25 years....i saw a thing on dish ..about it froze the stock so the people who owned it could not sell..but the top guys bailed.on their stock makeing millions..the average guy worker who had 180.000 in stock pention befor the down fall his llifes work was worth 1200 bucks id say he got off easy not rotting but thats just me i guess..
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Old 07-05-2006, 05:16 PM
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now see that is why I said that his dieing, in my opinion hooves, is a bad thing cause people like him need to do time in prison for their crime. dieing at his age is the easy way out in my opinion, but I have to leave that to whatever higher power, religion, belief that each person holds and believes.

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no he screwed 300,000 or so people out of the pentions they worked for for 25 years....i saw a thing on dish ..about it froze the stock so the people who owned it could not sell..but the top guys bailed.on their stock makeing millions..the average guy worker who had 180.000 in stock pention befor the down fall his llifes work was worth 1200 bucks id say he got off easy not rotting but thats just me i guess..
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