Another easy work for Curlin

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by outofthebox

Congrats on your pick Drugs. I didnt bet to win but played the Million p/4.

Thanks---the race didn't exactly go how I wanted it to early on.

I thought Hard Spun was in a little trouble because the pace was very fast, and he was denied his preferred front-running tactics---meanwhile Curlin didn't have as much seperation on Street Sense as I wanted.

I was hoping Curlin could get four or five lengths seperation---and Street Sense would make that monster far turn move to get on ever terms--and obviously Curlin would win the stretch duel.

Street Sense really ran a spectacular race---and I never was certain Curlin could re-rally to catch him until the last jump.

Let's be fair though--as fabulous as SS ran this time out--he did hang through the lane.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Thanks---the race didn't exactly go how I wanted it to early on.

I thought Hard Spun was in a little trouble because the pace was very fast, and he was denied his preferred front-running tactics---meanwhile Curlin didn't have as much seperation on Street Sense as I wanted.

I was hoping Curlin could get four or five lengths seperation---and Street Sense would make that monster far turn move to get on ever terms--and obviously Curlin would win the stretch duel.

Street Sense really ran a spectacular race---and I never was certain Curlin could re-rally to catch him until the last jump.

Let's be fair though--as fabulous as SS ran this time out--he did hang through the lane.

not to quibble. but i don't think the hangar label applies when you run a race that fast. Don't shortchange Curlin, it was a HUGE effort to catch Street Sense after he lost position to him earlier in the stretch.
You were right on Curlin etc, but the reason wasn't because Street Sense is some big hanger thats needs his rail trip. I think you were right just because Curlin was the best horse today, but only by a very late nose.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Street Sense blew by him on the far turn and Curlin was in "left-for-dead" fashion.

Of course SS hung---fast time or not. if they took bets on at the 3/16ths pole, Street Sense is 1/20 and Curlin is about 12/1.

[ArlJim78]

did he hang, or was he overtaken by a superior effort?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

By any trip handicappers terminology---he made an explosive far turn move, and didn't fully sustain it through the last 1/8th....the grinding Curlin wore him down.

Horses can run spectacularly and still hang.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Probably a bit of both IMO.

probably yes. when i hear that he hung in a track record time it makes me crazy. as if there is some objective standard by which we can refer to and it tells us that if Street Sense wasn't a hanger he would have maintained his lead. If that was a hang job then he has hung in every single race he has ever raced in.
In fact the whole field hung other than Curlin.

They slowed down less than Curlin, thats it.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I agree. I suppose he hung because he got caught. Like DrugS said, when he moves on the turn it's explosive. Maybe too expolsive for his own good because he doesn't really maintain that move very late. But I don't think he is a hanger like say Perfect Drift.

Thats all i'm trying to say. When I hear people talk about hanging horses it normally describes a horse that for whatever reason won't run to his true ability because when he gets next to horses in the stretch he won't pass them, but instead will just run with them and not pass them, or will come back to the field. the bottom line is that the horse doesn't give it all.

How can a horse like Street Sense be a hanger when he runs his heart out almost every time in very fast times?

If Curlin was not in that race and SS ran the very same performance, there would be no talk of hanging.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Thats all i'm trying to say. When I hear people talk about hanging horses it normally describes a horse that for whatever reason won't run to his true ability because when he gets next to horses in the stretch he won't pass them, but instead will just run with them and not pass them, or will come back to the field. the bottom line is that the horse doesn't give it all.

How can a horse like Street Sense be a hanger when he runs his heart out almost every time in very fast times?

If Curlin was not in that race and SS ran the very same performance, there would be no talk of hanging.

I agree with every word!

--Dunbar

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Thats all i'm trying to say. When I hear people talk about hanging horses it normally describes a horse that for whatever reason won't run to his true ability because when he gets next to horses in the stretch he won't pass them, but instead will just run with them and not pass them, or will come back to the field. the bottom line is that the horse doesn't give it all.

How can a horse like Street Sense be a hanger when he runs his heart out almost every time in very fast times?

If Curlin was not in that race and SS ran the very same performance, there would be no talk of hanging.

Agreed totally and opined on the WOW thread similarly:
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...123#post201123