Shocking news!!!

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Luck...

She got lucky with him. If you think it's anything besides that, I want to know what you're smoking.

I second that!!! And I think you need to look at the PP's a little differently than you do.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

I second that!!! And I think you need to look at the PP's a little differently than you do.

You guys are missing his point. It is a personal shot at Steve and I. Reread all his posts. I have no idea where it comes from or why but this is not about Tuefelsburg or Jamie Sanders.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You guys are missing his point. It is a personal shot at Steve and I. Reread all his posts. I have no idea where it comes from or why but this is not about Tuefelsburg or Jamie Sanders.

Well if you hadn't run a nag over her head, it would be a moot point and you'd be watching this conversation from the sidelines, right?

Right.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Well if you hadn't run a nag over her head, it would be a moot point and you'd be watching this conversation from the sidelines, right?

Right.

I am just so offended by that!!! LOL

[Danzig]

so then i'm taking it that Fearless won't be at churchill on the 25th, wearing a DT hat??

[Fearless Leader]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You guys are missing his point. It is a personal shot at Steve and I. Reread all his posts. I have no idea where it comes from or why but this is not about Tuefelsburg or Jamie Sanders.

YOU should RE-READ them again because it is obvious that YOU have missed the point.

In fact, YOU should RE-READ Steve's posts as well. To his credit, he is intelligent enough to understand my point and replied accordingly. As for the rest of the respondents...the idiotic comments speak for themselves.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Fearless Leader

YOU should RE-READ them again because it is obvious that YOU have missed the point.

In fact, YOU should RE-READ Steve's posts as well. To his credit, he is intelligent enough to understand my point and replied accordingly. As for the rest of the respondents...the idiotic comments speak for themselves.

Idiotic? Like comparing the handling of Sumwonlovesyou to Teuflesberg?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Idiotic? Like comparing the handling of Sumwonlovesyou to Teuflesberg?

I saw that....

While the board owned filly was placed, on form, way over her head in the KEE race....she also had never run on turf, had a right to improve on turf from a pedigree standpoint, and the reality is that there are no N2L claiming races on turf that time of year...so, if you want to run her on the turf at that point, you have to do so in a very tough spot.

After her defeat, she was wisely placed, and ran a nice race.

As far as Teuflesberg goes, there are a lot of soft Grade 3-ish stake races for 3-year-olds, that carry VERY inflated purses---he'd be a lot better served in those races....than getting his butt kicked in Triple Crown series races.

And I'm sure everyone but Fearless Leader knows this---though, he may know this as well.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I saw that....

While the board owned filly was placed, on form, way over her head in the KEE race....she also had never run on turf, had a right to improve on turf from a pedigree standpoint, and the reality is that there are no N2L claiming races on turf that time of year...so, if you want to run her on the turf at that point, you have to do so in a very tough spot.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. I'm no trainer and I don't pretend to know why Chuck spotted her where he did at Keeneland. However I have seen it happen many times that a trainer will start off with a new aquisition by moving them up into a spot where they can't be claimed away. My thinking is that they are trying to assess what they have, to be able to draw their own conclusions about the horses current class and fitness, and in this case to also check out how the filly took to the grass, and all the while gaining some needed fitness. Whatever the reason was it was validated in the very next outing when she ran her best race to date, still being spotted higher than she ever had in the past I believe. There is just no way that it even remotely compares to Tueflesberg.

You make a very good point about Tueflesberg. Instead of being an alsoran in Gr1 events, there are numerous softer good money spots restricted to 3yo's.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Fearless Leader

YOU should RE-READ them again because it is obvious that YOU have missed the point.

In fact, YOU should RE-READ Steve's posts as well. To his credit, he is intelligent enough to understand my point and replied accordingly. As for the rest of the respondents...the idiotic comments speak for themselves.

By the way your "point" was that the majority of this thread was commentary by Steve and myself. Since your "point" is so obviously in error being that I made a one sentence comment about the validity of an $3 million dollar offer for the horse, therefore was in no way, shape, or form the "majority" or in fact any comment about the horse or its connections or its placement. If you have a problem with me personally then just say whats on your mind. But as far as this topic or thread, you are way off base.

[Fearless Leader]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

By the way your "point" was that the majority of this thread was commentary by Steve and myself. Since your "point" is so obviously in error being that I made a one sentence comment about the validity of an $3 million dollar offer for the horse, therefore was in no way, shape, or form the "majority" or in fact any comment about the horse or its connections or its placement. If you have a problem with me personally then just say whats on your mind. But as far as this topic or thread, you are way off base.

I suggest you RE-READ post #78. By the way, I don't have a problem with you personally, or professionally.

[MisterB]

Fearless makes me look like an angel

[Linny]

last I knew they were looking at the Woody Stephens on the Belmont S undercard for T'berg. I have no issue with where she runs him or how often. She owns him! She also rides him every day. Now, I do think that he's better off at G2/G3. In the long run most of the Derby horses in any given year prove to be far below G1.

Were he mine, I'd be looking at races like the "G2/3 Derbies" in W. Virginia, Penn., Ohio etc. Once the Derby prep season destroys a decent % of the crop, those races are often ripe for picking.

As for his slow Blue Grass fractions, it seems that front runners who actually had "normal" early fractions held on BETTER. In fact horses that may be better than T'berg ran slower early and failed. Slowing the pace to (literally) trotting horse time, was not the way to win at KEE.

He's by J'berg so who knows, maybe he can turf. If he likes grass, it may be good for him with his slow starts. Since they usually go slower early and he has rateable speed, he wont have to work as hard as he does on dirt to make the lead.