Shocking news!!!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

So..she does the right thing for the horse and still gets slammed...I don't get it? Certainly the horse earned his way into the Derby...she takes a week to evaluate, making plans to run as any smart trainer would, and now decides that it's not in the best interest of the horse...seems like she did everything right to me...

Obviously I'm thrilled to see her not point the horse for the Preakness.

Am I really that out of line in thinking that while it's great that she's doing the right thing for the horse in passing the Preakness, that there was no mention of exactly where he will go after that? So he's skipping the Preakness, it doesn't make her the Messiah for holding him out of one race, just so she can inevitably enter him over his head shortly after the Preakness. If I'm wrong and he gets a real vacation, I'll be glad to own up to it at that time.

It's not outlandish to doubt that she will do right by the horse. Skipping one race doesn't mean she's going to actually do right for the horse.

She made one right decision. That puts her batting average at about .0001, something I'm not exactly rushing to wet my pants over while excusing everything else she's done. Sorry if that's the wrong answer, Somer.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Obviously I'm thrilled to see her not point the horse for the Preakness.

Am I really that out of line in thinking that while it's great that she's doing the right thing for the horse in passing the Preakness, that there was no mention of exactly where he will go after that? So he's skipping the Preakness, it doesn't make her the Messiah for holding him out of one race, just so she can inevitably enter him over his head shortly after the Preakness. If I'm wrong and he gets a real vacation, I'll be glad to own up to it at that time.

It's not outlandish to doubt that she will do right by the horse. Skipping one race doesn't mean she's going to actually do right for the horse.

She made one right decision. That puts her batting average at about .0001, something I'm not exactly rushing to wet my pants over while excusing everything else she's done. Sorry if that's the wrong answer, Somer.

Look, I think it's fine to cast a critical eye at her record but the horse had as much right in the Derby as at least half the field, she was harshly criticized here (including remarks about her physical appearance) for even thinking about the Preakness. As it turns out, all she has done is take the proper amount of time to consider her options and then pass. IF the horse is entered in subsequent races where folks think he's overmatched etc, then a critical comment is justified...but using this news, that she decided not to run thinking of what is best for the horse, seems an odd place to criticize her again...seems a bit like overkill to me, folks have already made their point. I think giving her credit here is the proper response!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Look, I think it's fine to cast a critical eye at her record but the horse had as much right in the Derby as at least half the field, she was harshly criticized here (including remarks about her physical appearance) for even thinking about the Preakness. As it turns out, all she has done is take the proper amount of time to consider her options and then pass. IF the horse is entered in subsequent races where folks think he's overmatched etc, then a critical comment is justified...but using this news, that she decided not to run thinking of what is best for the horse, seems an odd place to criticize her again...seems a bit like overkill to me, folks have already made their point. I think giving her credit here is the proper response!

Sorry, I'm just not ready to dive into the pile and heap praise on her for making a (singular) good decision, feeling fully confident that its positive effects will be short-lived and soon cancelled out by another series of poor decisions.

[Danzig]

so....you can't harshly criticize someone for a decision, but you can be harshly criticized for being harshly critical.

ok, got it.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Danzig

so....you can't harshly criticize someone for a decision, but you can be harshly criticized for being harshly critical.

ok, got it.

Say that ten times fast!

[pmayjr]

What are the chances that this decision had nothing to do with Jamie Sanders, but ownership stepping in and saying "No Preakness". ???

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

What are the chances that this decision had nothing to do with Jamie Sanders, but ownership stepping in and saying "No Preakness". ???

She's part owner.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Danzig

so....you can't harshly criticize someone for a decision, but you can be harshly criticized for being harshly critical.

ok, got it.

But she's being criticized even though she made what everyone seems to think is the right decision!

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

But she's being criticized even though she made what everyone seems to think is the right decision!

John..

I wouldn't say she made a decision. More likely the decision was made for her by the horse. He was supposed to be on his way to Baltimore today.. You can be sure there is something wrong with him.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Kasept

John..

I wouldn't say she made a decision. More likely the decision was made for her by the horse. He was supposed to be on his way to Baltimore today.. You can be sure there is something wrong with him.

Steve,
I know you may have more inside info than I do but I certainly don't know that (if you do then I bow to your info)...in my experience, trainers will often wait until the last minute to make a decision such as this. Like you said, he would have left for Baltimore this weekend so a decision had to be made now. It makes sense to me to wait a week and see how the horse is doing doesn't mean there is anything "wrong" per se...again, if you have info I don't then I accept that, just going on my experience.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Who (exactly) turned down millions(2 or 3) for this individual? That's the decision I don't get.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Danzig

so....you can't harshly criticize someone for a decision, but you can be harshly criticized for being harshly critical.

ok, got it.

now that's a Slogan

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Look, I think it's fine to cast a critical eye at her record but the horse had as much right in the Derby as at least half the field, she was harshly criticized here (including remarks about her physical appearance) for even thinking about the Preakness. As it turns out, all she has done is take the proper amount of time to consider her options and then pass. IF the horse is entered in subsequent races where folks think he's overmatched etc, then a critical comment is justified...but using this news, that she decided not to run thinking of what is best for the horse, seems an odd place to criticize her again...seems a bit like overkill to me, folks have already made their point. I think giving her credit here is the proper response!

She showed them and beat 3 in the derby. If she was so concerned for the horse why was she even considering the trip to Baltimore?

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Well it's unfortunate that every thread nowadays turns into a soapbox session. At least she is now doing right by the horse. Hoefully now she regroups and aims for the King's Bishop, because a grade 1 will look mighty good on that resume.

Well, that may be true...one can ask a question and sometimes get a "sarcastic" reply.....
and just where are those 2 yr.old runners in NY???

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't think you get what I mean, and I was trying to answer your question when I posted the link.

Just Kidding..... but sometimes we tend to go "overboard" with some posts,
it's all done in good fun...not vicious like on some other boards (the "karma" over there has come home to roost...blank!)

[Zaf]

and Congrats to the connections of Slew's Tizzy, who passed up the KD & won a nice Grade 3 race at Lone Star today.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Well again, I don't know what you expected at the other place. You saw them in action here where there are rules. What did you expect? And I still don't think you got what I meant.

Soapbox? Your reply yesterday???

As for that "other" place...I learned the "hard way" ...it must be that "valley" air

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

How was posting a link answering your question me getting on a soapbox? I think you have the definition of being on a soapbox confused.

NO NO NO! I wasn't talking about that...I'm confused

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't think you get what I mean, and I was trying to answer your question when I posted the link.

This?

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Well it's unfortunate that every thread nowadays turns into a soapbox session. At least she is now doing right by the horse. Hoefully now she regroups and aims for the King's Bishop, because a grade 1 will look mighty good on that resume.

Not if...oh wait, you're assuming he runs well in it...gotcha...

No seriously he's a nice lil horse, I just think Jamie's a liability to him rather than a benefit and he could do better. Steve's comments on her record speak for themselves. Shouldn't she have more lower level winners if she just needed to break out?