Overrated Jockeys

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Sweetness

Well said, and I'm with you on Songster, he was a much better single than TMB. SCUDS is just sour because his handicapping was poor, not the ride.

Yeah, there are no bad rides.Just bad handicappers.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Yeah, there are no bad rides.Just bad handicappers.

No there are both, as well as bad bets, and TMB was a bad bet to win in that race plain and simple.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Kobayashi is destroying the competition once again.What a star.54 dogs n' buns.A new world record.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Kobayashi is destroying the competition once again.What a star.54 dogs n' buns.A new world record.

Scuds,
Man would I hate to be in Kobayashi's bathroom tomorrow morning!!!
Thunder coming! Plenty of wind!
Wonder if it will show up on the weather channel.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Scuds,
Man would I hate to be in Kobayashi's bathroom tomorrow morning!!!
Thunder coming! Plenty of wind!
Wonder if it will show up on the weather channel.

KOBAYASHI put the fat man away in the final 16th.It just seems that the young man can raise his game to match any competition.Makes you wonder if he will ever be beaten in this Championship. A true star in the food -eatin' competitions.DTS,He probably does have a bathroom with a T.V. built into the wall. This is a star,and a true food eatin' star has access to these amenities.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Yeah, there are no bad rides.Just bad handicappers.

It was an awful ride. Nothing good was going to happen sitting 1/2 or 3/4 length off the lead on the rail. Had to send there, hang Songster 3-w then 2-w and try to last.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

It was an awful ride. Nothing good was going to happen sitting 1/2 or 3/4 length off the lead on the rail. Had to send there, hang Songster 3-w then 2-w and try to last.

So there is no way it is possible that Baffert wanted Gomez to sit there, like Behaving Badly did, right? Come on guys, let's be serious for a second if the hole opens there is no way you are going to convince me that he was going to blow by Songster. You guys are acting like Songster is some pig. He is an improving colt with a big future.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Sweetness

So there is no way it is possible that Baffert wanted Gomez to sit there, like Behaving Badly did, right? Come on guys, let's be serious for a second if the hole opens there is no way you are going to convince me that he was going to blow by Songster. You guys are acting like Songster is some pig. He is an improving colt with a big future.

Bling has BLOWN BY HIM before,and will do so again(when given room to run.)Bling and Anew have just got an extra mid-race burst that most good sprinters can't match.These 2 are the top 2 sprinters in the country.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Bling has BLOWN BY HIM before,and will do so again(when given room to run.)Bling and Anew have just got an extra mid-race burst that most good sprinters can't match.These 2 are the top 2 sprinters in the country.

Bling blew by him on a track that Songster seemeds to have a tough time getting a hold of. Still haven't addressed the fact that maybe Baffert told him to sit, you really seem to be avoiding that one. Hmmmm, wonder why.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Sweetness

Bling blew by him on a track that Songster seemeds to have a tough time getting a hold of. Still haven't addressed the fact that maybe Baffert told him to sit, you really seem to be avoiding that one. Hmmmm, wonder why.

Well, if Baffert told him to sit, he didn't sit. He just waited with no place to go. If you're going to sit on a speed horse from the rail, you take back early in order to get your horse in the clear, right?

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Well, if Baffert told him to sit, he didn't sit. He just waited with no place to go. If you're going to sit on a speed horse from the rail, you take back early in order to get your horse in the clear, right?

Or come up the rail, if you can't swing out like he did. It just wasn't his day, why is it so crazy to think Songster was just better?

[blackthroatedwind]

Too Much Bling was compromised by his post. If he sent into a duel with Fabulous Strike he would have been doomed to lose to Songster who was destined to get a perfect trip due to his luckier draw. The best idea was to let the other one go and hope to either be able to angle out or get enough room to get through. The reality is the hole was tight and the horse, like many, was probably a little chicken about getting through.

Songster and Too Much Bling are both nice horses. One got a predictably better trip than the other in that race and won. On an even playing field the result could easily have been reversed. Blaming a rider in this situation is mystifying as the race basically played out exactly like it looked on paper.

I am not saying it was a great ride, but I don't see what choice Gomez had, and there are certainly FAR better examples of poor rides.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Too Much Bling was compromised by his post. If he sent into a duel with Fabulous Strike he would have been doomed to lose to Songster who was destined to get a perfect trip due to his luckier draw. The best idea was to let the other one go and hope to either be able to angle out or get enough room to get through. The reality is the hole was tight and the horse, like many, was probably a little chicken about getting through.

Songster and Too Much Bling are both nice horses. One got a predictably better trip than the other in that race and won. On an even playing field the result could easily have been reversed. Blaming a rider in this situation is mystifying as the race basically played out exactly like it looked on paper.

I am not saying it was a great ride, but I don't see what choice Gomez had, and there are certainly FAR better examples of poor rides.

Thank you, that is all I have been trying to say, it was the circumstance not necessarily the ride.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

It was an awful ride. Nothing good was going to happen sitting 1/2 or 3/4 length off the lead on the rail. Had to send there, hang Songster 3-w then 2-w and try to last.

And I suppose if Gomez sends, and he fades in the stretch, then you guys say what a bad ride it was to send. It seems like a lose-lose situation to me.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Sweetness

And I suppose if Gomez sends, and he fades in the stretch, then you guys say what a bad ride it was to send. It seems like a lose-lose situation to me.

No, not at all. If he sends and loses, he's not good enough. My only points are these... Pure speed from the rail = must send (not fair to compare Bling to Behaving Badly where BB was FAR superior)... and ... Songster is too good to expect TMB to pass by taking back and going 3-wide.

Songster may still be better. Then again, maybe not. But TMB had no chance after 1/4 IMO. He either needed to be sent hard or it could be that he wasn't good enough to keep up early (hurt?).

Originally Posted by SentToStud

No, not at all. If he sends and loses, he's not good enough. My only points are these... Pure speed from the rail = must send (not fair to compare Bling to Behaving Badly where BB was FAR superior)... and ... Songster is too good to expect TMB to pass by taking back and going 3-wide.

Songster may still be better. Then again, maybe not. But TMB had no chance after 1/4 IMO. He either needed to be sent hard or it could be that he wasn't good enough to keep up early (hurt?).

I truly believe that they decided as a team to sit, because if you notice they have been trying to get TMB to relax a little bit early this year as opposed to last year when it was send, send, send. He rated him in the San Miguel, San Vicente and Bay Shore all to a victory, so obviously Baffert has found a way to get the most out of TMB's speed. I think if you send, you risk getting TMB to revert to his old habit of popping and stopping.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Sweetness

I truly believe that they decided as a team to sit, because if you notice they have been trying to get TMB to relax a little bit early this year as opposed to last year when it was send, send, send. He rated him in the San Miguel, San Vicente and Bay Shore all to a victory, so obviously Baffert has found a way to get the most out of TMB's speed. I think if you send, you risk getting TMB to revert to his old habit of popping and stopping.

Fair enough. If that's the case, it was a tough go of it! Good luck!