Street Sense Derby Beyer: 110

[whodey17]

I agree he has some bad habits. Ducking in, switching leads back and forth down the stretch will someday cost him a race. But with love for the rail it seems real possible that he may never have to go around horses.

[10 pnt move up]

the rail was gold saturday, watch the races and fractions all day and how middle closers did in general, either the entire card was a bunch of hangers or it was the rail.....street sense wins regardless, but hard spun was carried by the rail

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

street sense wins regardless, but hard spun was carried by the rail

Both horses raced on the inside pretty much throughout---but Hard Spun earned the right to have the rail position by setting strong fractions to get it.

Street Sense--a deep closer---only had his rail position and got to pass 16 horses without leaving it because of misjudgements by other riders (Zanjero mainly) and because of a fearless and historically great ride by Borel.

If Hard Spun was carried by the rail...so was Sedgefield....and to a much greater extent Street Sense---because unlike HS and Sedge, Street Sense got the favorable pace to go with the rail position.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Street Sense--a deep closer---only had his rail position and got to pass 16 horses without leaving it because of misjudgements by other riders (Zanjero mainly) and because of a fearless and historically great ride by Borel.

If Hard Spun was carried by the rail...so was Sedgefield....and to a much greater extent Street Sense---because unlike HS and Sedge, Street Sense got the favorable pace to go with the rail position.

Was the pace favorable to SS? THey went 1:11+ for 3/4 which is good for front runners. The early pace was fast, not brutally fast. Do you see this differently?

Also I thought SS passed 18 other runners?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

he went around the final two he passed...and lugged back into the rail.

Yes, the pace was certainly more favorable to SS than HS---but, it's the Derby, and the pace is very often too fast. The nature of the race.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

he went around the final two he passed...and lugged back into the rail.

Yes, the pace was certainly more favorable to SS than HS---but, it's the Derby, and the pace is very often too fast. The nature of the race.

Tell me something...What pace do you think would have been favorable to front runners? 1:12? 1:13??

They hit the 3/4 in 1.11+ Isnt this ideal for front runners????????

[philcski]

Originally Posted by easy goer

Tell me something...What pace do you think would have been favorable to front runners? 1:12? 1:13??

They hit the 3/4 in 1.11+ Isnt this ideal for front runners????????

They went 46 1/5 to the half. That is NOT favorable to frontrunners at a mile and a quarter.

The rest of the pace was beaten 37, 45, and 52 lengths. 'Nuff said.

[sumitas]

The pace was way fast enough to knock most of the horses out of the race in the stretch. It was a fearless run and ride. It's gonna take a lot of horse to beat SS the next two.

Originally Posted by sumitas

The pace was way fast enough to knock most of the horses out of the race in the stretch. It was a fearless run and ride. It's gonna take a lot of horse to beat SS the next two.

A non sequiter. What does SS ride have to do with the pace?? The fact that the pace was moderate means that SS did quite well to win this coming from behind.

So yes, its gonna take a lot of horse to beat SS. And this is MAKING MY POINT!

[cmorioles]

That was not a moderate pace by any means. Comparing fractions from year to year is futile, as the track can be vastly different. Sure, the Derby is usually run at a faster clip, but the horses in front usually finish way, way, way behind.

What was War Emblem's pace? That should give you an idea of the type pace needed to win up front.

His beyers at Churchill are just much faster than anywhere else. May just be a Churchill loving horse. If he can run a big number elsewhere I will be a believer, but he has never done it. His 108 and a 110 were both at Churchill, where he appears to be a different horse.

[tector]

46 and 1 is a moderate pace in 1.25 mile race NOT run on the old asphalt tracks of SoCal? You're kidding, right?

[tector]

DrugS--I thought Sedgefield was a real surprise, since, while not nearly as impressively as HS, he was basically the "next horse" anywhere near the front that managed to stick around at the end. I don't know if the Preakness is the best move for him--I think if they pick their spots, he could be a nice horse. Coming back in 2 weeks against the top three, plus the new shooters, doesn't seem like a formula for success, however.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by tector

DrugS--I thought Sedgefield was a real surprise, since, while not nearly as impressively as HS, he was basically the "next horse" anywhere near the front that managed to stick around at the end. I don't know if the Preakness is the best move for him--I think if they pick their spots, he could be a nice horse. Coming back in 2 weeks against the top three, plus the new shooters, doesn't seem like a formula for success, however.

he rode the rail the WHOLE way, I hate him next time he runs

[jjf1031]

Originally Posted by sumitas

The pace was way fast enough to knock most of the horses out of the race in the stretch. It was a fearless run and ride. It's gonna take a lot of horse to beat SS the next two.

I agree. Believe Hard Spun might take a backward step after strong work Derby week and hard run in race itself. FFC will also make the pace lively in Preakness. SS will be tough to down and from a wagering standpoint while Chelokee intrigues me I feel he will be seriously overbet due to being a new face and the semi-tough trip in Florida derby.

I liked NBLS and see no excuse for his Derby run as if he had any horse he could have kept SS pinned down during his run near quarter pole. Is Tagg bringing him back for the Belimont? Likes the track and maybe pace scenario we usually get in Belmont will help him be a threat to SS