Overrated Jockeys

[SCUDSBROTHER]

This is useless.You are never going to agree that getting stuck like that was predictable(once he stupidly put himself right behind the leader,and enticed Prado to lock him down.)That was not luck.That was stupidity.You really expected him to get out? The problem is that the guy made the same mistake all winter out here.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

This is useless.You are never going to agree that getting stuck like that was predictable(once he stupidly put himself right behind the leader,and enticed Prado to lock him down.)That was not luck.That was stupidity.You really expected him to get out? The problem is that the guy made the same mistake all winter out here.

Here's a thought then, don't bet him. I mean what does that say about you that you keep making the "mistake". I don't think it was predictable, I see guys do it everyday, and in this case the hole didn't open. that's it, but you know what, if the hole had opened I'm sure you would have had no problem with the ride.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Sweetness

Here's a thought then, don't bet him. I mean what does that say about you that you keep making the "mistake". I don't think it was predictable, I see guys do it everyday, and in this case the hole didn't open. that's it, but you know what, if the hole had opened I'm sure you would have had no problem with the ride.

If you don't think jocks have an eye on the chalk horse,THEN YOU'RE A FOOL.I play the horses I like,and won't avoid one due to a jock.People make mistakes.I understand that(only too well.)When people say this guy is a great jock,I just can't agree(because I have seen all the mistakes he makes..usually repetitive ones...and you can't be great if you make that many dumb mistakes.)As far as trainers go,lets get something straight here.1)Trainers can simply wheel a horse back,and try again.2)Owners request certain jocks,and so trainers can't really complain about rides(they may lose the ability to use that jock.) 3) a guy like Gomez is a hothead ,and Baffert knows he will be defensive if he is critical of him.4)Trainers simply take jocks off horses if they want to.The main reason they don't get that upset though,is they can always try again.People who bet,and lose money due to a bad ride,don't get another chance.They get one chance.Jock and trainer just tee it up again.Very,very different situations.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

If you don't think jocks have an eye on the chalk horse,THEN YOU'RE A FOOL.I play the horses I like,and won't avoid one due to a jock.People make mistakes.I understand that(only too well.)When people say this guy is a great jock,I just can't agree(because I have seen all the mistakes he makes..usually repetitive ones...and you can't be great if you make that many dumb mistakes.)As far as trainers go,lets get something straight here.1)Trainers can simply wheel a horse back,and try again.2)Owners request certain jocks,and so trainers can't really complain about rides(they may lose the ability to use that jock.) 3) a guy like Gomez is a hothead ,and Baffert knows he will be defensive if he is critical of him.4)Trainers simply take jocks off horses if they want to.The main reason they don't get that upset though,is they can always try again.People who bet,and lose money due to a bad ride,don't get another chance.They get one chance.Jock and trainer just tee it up again.Very,very different situations.

Yeah you're right I'm a fool. Because I'm sure Baffert really gives a s**t if Gomez is defensive. Baffert is a straight shooter, and he loves to have his name in print. I have heard absolutely nothing coming from him about the ride, and if you think trainers don't get upset at a bad ride, or if they don't win then you haven't been to a track. The thing about horse racing is you may not get another shot, so like in every other post in this thread you are wrong. Baffert has done enough as a trainer to be able to criticize whomever he wants, and he didn't. You see Frankel do it, and who can forget how critical Lukas was about Victor Espinoza's ride on Spain in the 2001 Distaff. And jock and trainer don't just tee it up, they want to win, and if you think Gomez was just "teeing it up" I want to see you get on a horse and try and come up the rail. A lot of jocks won't do it, and Gomez will. Look I get what you're mad at, you needed the horse because you bet him, and I have been victimized by many a bad ride, but I just think you're wrong. I do know that Gomez is one of the most sought after jocks in the world, by all of the top trainers, and I don't think they would want him if he wasn't great. Just taking a shot but I'm thinking they know more than you. And Pletcher could have had anyone come to ride first call for him when Johnny V. went down, and he CHOSE Gomez. I challenge you to find a better horse racing mind than Pletcher.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Like I said,the guy put in a bad ride when I needed a good ride.He let me down,and I don't expect others to feel the same(about him) until he lets them down.It is as simple as that.If somebody rides poorly for you,then you care,and not before that.I understand that you don't give a sht about the ride on Bling.Most people don't care about rides until it keeps them from winning.I disagree with you about trainers though(they edit themselves hugely as far as public consumption concerning rides.) Most of them are too scared to even give a jock instructions.Almost every instance that I see an interview of a trainer before a race(when asked about where they want the horse to be in a race,)they say "I leave that up to my rider." If your saying a trainer has to say a jock gave a bad ride(before you consider it a bad ride,)then there aren't gunna be very many bad rides.They change jocks when they don't like a ride.I have heard Baffert complain more about less established type riders(Santiago,and some apprentices,)but not much about the main riders he uses.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

According to you,every jock on a horse breaking from the 1 hole (in one turn races) now has an iron clad excuse (if they lose.)Just can't be expected to win from there at all.Way too hard for a jockey to make decisions that will lead to a victory from there."Roll of the dice" ...."pray"

[ateamstupid]

I gotta agree with Scuds on this one.

Not that it was a terrible ride by Gomez, but that when you're on a chalk (or any horse that looks good on paper), you have to ride differently than if you're on a wild longshot. Prado knows who he has to beat in that situation, and it ain't Fabulous Strike.