Overrated Jockeys

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Gomez' awful ride on TM BLING stands out like a retarded kid at a Spelling Bee.Anytime somebody thinks Gomez is a great rider,go to the Belmont web site.Click video,and find the race on the undercard of the Belmont this year.You can not be dumber than that.Sometimes the guy is smart as a potted plant.Sure ,he gives some good rides,but he ain't gunna make it up to ya when he blows a chalk ride.Oh yes,he will blow some more rides on chalk.Why? Because when he is a target,he is easy to get into trouble.Not in the top 50% of the smartest guys out there.Prado simply makes an a$$ out of him,and that will probably continue to be the case.When he costs you a bunch of dough you'll see.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Gomez' awful ride on TM BLING stands out like a retarded kid at a Spelling Bee.Anytime somebody thinks Gomez is a great rider,go to the Belmont web site.Click video,and find the race on the undercard of the Belmont this year.You can not be dumber than that.Sometimes the guy is smart as a potted plant.Sure ,he gives some good rides,but he ain't gunna make it up to ya when he blows a chalk ride.Oh yes,he will blow some more rides on chalk.Why? Because when he is a target,he is easy to get into trouble.Not in the top 50% of the smartest guys out there.Prado simply makes an a$$ out of him,and that will probably continue to be the case.When he costs you a bunch of dough you'll see.

I've watched the replay a few times, and I just disagree. What would you have liked Gomez to do? Harry Vega's horse outsprinted him, and he sat patiently there. As they turned for home, the hole opened, then it shut, and finally opened again. First off, Songster is very talented and no one was going to beat him that day. I think it was more of Harry Vega not letting Gomez through, as he was trying to salvage second, then anything Gomez did wrong. Did you read Baffert's post race comments, he said something to the extent of Vega costing TMB the race and him having some connection to Prado.

Originally Posted by Sweetness

I've watched the replay a few times, and I just disagree. What would you have liked Gomez to do? Harry Vega's horse outsprinted him, and he sat patiently there. As they turned for home, the hole opened, then it shut, and finally opened again. First off, Songster is very talented and no one was going to beat him that day. I think it was more of Harry Vega not letting Gomez through, as he was trying to salvage second, then anything Gomez did wrong. Did you read Baffert's post race comments, he said something to the extent of Vega costing TMB the race and him having some connection to Prado.

I agree, TMB was a vistim of the draw...anytime you draw down on the inside you run the risk of getting a bad trip..its just physics...there is nowhere to go on the inside and you can only go outside...the jockey has a decision to make early on in the race whether to Go or settle back and come around - or in TMB and Gomez's case keep in striking range and hope for an opening to present itself....I can't see much wrong with that ride...it was a bad trip and there was probably little he could do about it...think about it..if he pushes the button early to get into the clear he compromises his horse for the stretchrun, and if he takes way back to get into the clear then he loses that mush more ground to make up in the late stages of the race....he did the right thing IMO and just got unlucky...this is a sport that is a large majority of luck, you know...

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I agree, TMB was a vistim of the draw.....

I couldn't agree more and that was the primary reason I was happy to play against that horse.

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I agree, TMB was a vistim of the draw...anytime you draw down on the inside you run the risk of getting a bad trip..its just physics...there is nowhere to go on the inside and you can only go outside...the jockey has a decision to make early on in the race whether to Go or settle back and come around - or in TMB and Gomez's case keep in striking range and hope for an opening to present itself....I can't see much wrong with that ride...it was a bad trip and there was probably little he could do about it...think about it..if he pushes the button early to get into the clear he compromises his horse for the stretchrun, and if he takes way back to get into the clear then he loses that mush more ground to make up in the late stages of the race....he did the right thing IMO and just got unlucky...this is a sport that is a large majority of luck, you know...

Well said, the rail is always a tough draw.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I agree, TMB was a vistim of the draw...anytime you draw down on the inside you run the risk of getting a bad trip..its just physics...there is nowhere to go on the inside and you can only go outside...the jockey has a decision to make early on in the race whether to Go or settle back and come around - or in TMB and Gomez's case keep in striking range and hope for an opening to present itself....I can't see much wrong with that ride...it was a bad trip and there was probably little he could do about it...think about it..if he pushes the button early to get into the clear he compromises his horse for the stretchrun, and if he takes way back to get into the clear then he loses that mush more ground to make up in the late stages of the race....he did the right thing IMO and just got unlucky...this is a sport that is a large majority of luck, you know...

I agree with you. That was hardly a terrible ride. He was mainly a victim of circumstance.

[DiscreetCat=Monster]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Gomez' awful ride on TM BLING stands out like a retarded kid at a Spelling Bee.Anytime somebody thinks Gomez is a great rider,go to the Belmont web site.Click video,and find the race on the undercard of the Belmont this year.You can not be dumber than that.Sometimes the guy is smart as a potted plant.Sure ,he gives some good rides,but he ain't gunna make it up to ya when he blows a chalk ride.Oh yes,he will blow some more rides on chalk.Why? Because when he is a target,he is easy to get into trouble.Not in the top 50% of the smartest guys out there.Prado simply makes an a$$ out of him,and that will probably continue to be the case.When he costs you a bunch of dough you'll see.

Do you even follow the DRF or racing in general? Baffert said before they went to NY from Cali that they didn't want to run considering he drew the 1 hole. And that was before the race. then in retrospect he was right they all broke well but gomez cannot afford to send going that far and then let songster sit in 3rd and run by them when they turn for home. He was stuck and by the sounds of the interviews by baffert after the race he knew that was gonna happen. The horse never has won from the inside. It is just asking too much for a 3yo to go balls out for 7 F. You Sound like you need to read the form a little more before you pin a bad ride on someone.

OF COURSE I SHOULDN'T HALF TO TELL YOU THIS IF YOUR A TRUE HANDICAPER. I SINGLED SONGSTER on my Pick 4 doesn't take a genious to figure that out!!!

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by LOSE=GLUE

Do you even follow the DRF or racing in general? Baffert said before they went to NY from Cali that they didn't want to run considering he drew the 1 hole. And that was before the race. then in retrospect he was right they all broke well but gomez cannot afford to send going that far and then let songster sit in 3rd and run by them when they turn for home. He was stuck and by the sounds of the interviews by baffert after the race he knew that was gonna happen. The horse never has won from the inside. It is just asking too much for a 3yo to go balls out for 7 F. You Sound like you need to read the form a little more before you pin a bad ride on someone.

OF COURSE I SHOULDN'T HALF TO TELL YOU THIS IF YOUR A TRUE HANDICAPER. I SINGLED SONGSTER on my Pick 4 doesn't take a genious to figure that out!!!

Another "one-week-later" guru. Tell us, please, if Baffert didn't want to run given the draw, pray tell why he ran? He didn't send, he didn't take back. He just sat there waiting to lose. Gomez waited too long or the horse wasn't good enough. And, yes, of course, WAY mad props to you for singling that 2/1 in that small field. Oooooo, so very daring. Do let us know when your 900 number is up and running.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by LOSE=GLUE

Do you even follow the DRF or racing in general? Baffert said before they went to NY from Cali that they didn't want to run considering he drew the 1 hole. And that was before the race. then in retrospect he was right they all broke well but gomez cannot afford to send going that far and then let songster sit in 3rd and run by them when they turn for home. He was stuck and by the sounds of the interviews by baffert after the race he knew that was gonna happen. The horse never has won from the inside. It is just asking too much for a 3yo to go balls out for 7 F. You Sound like you need to read the form a little more before you pin a bad ride on someone.

OF COURSE I SHOULDN'T HALF TO TELL YOU THIS IF YOUR A TRUE HANDICAPER. I SINGLED SONGSTER on my Pick 4 doesn't take a genious to figure that out!!!

Yeah,and people blew good money yesterday trying to beat Behaving Badly yesterday too(cuz she had the 1 hole.)Fact is that Gomez can ride just fine until you need him to do something for you.If you bet against the best horse(in hopes they will get into trouble,)you'll usually lose.Everybody is gunna use the 1 hole to justify Gomez being stuck there in a paralyzed animal mode.It wasn't an ideal post,but the horse is 5 lengths the best horse.The horse never is given anywhere to run,and still isn't beaten that badly.Think about it.He puts the horse in no mans land,and gee whiz Gomer Pyle..They seal him in (as he seemed to be asked to be,)and then the excuse is that he got sealed in? I don't understand the idea of getting sealed in,and then thinking he will get out(as the chalk.)Again,I think he rides horses without recognizing that chalk will be a target.He rode Bling asif he was 5-1,and would be able to eventually get out of that spot.Well,even money horses in New York aren't getting out of that spot.5-1 shots? Probably will.There is a difference,and he just is taking longer than necessary to learn this.Guy is mentally in the lower 10%,and physically is in the top 10%.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Yeah,and people blew good money yesterday trying to beat Behaving Badly yesterday too(cuz she had the 1 hole.)Fact is that Gomez can ride just fine until you need him to do something for you.If you bet against the best horse(in hopes they will get into trouble,)you'll usually lose.Everybody is gunna use the 1 hole to justify Gomez being stuck there in a paralyzed animal mode.It wasn't an ideal post,but the horse is 5 lengths the best horse.The horse never is given anywhere to run,and still isn't beaten that badly.Think about it.He puts the horse in no mans land,and gee whiz Gomer Pyle..They seal him in (as he seemed to be asked to be,)and then the excuse is that he got sealed in? I don't understand the idea of getting sealed in,and then thinking he will get out(as the chalk.)Again,I think he rides horses without recognizing that chalk will be a target.He rode Bling asif he was 5-1,and would be able to eventually get out of that spot.Well,even money horses in New York aren't getting out of that spot.5-1 shots? Probably will.There is a difference,and he just is taking longer than necessary to learn this.Guy is mentally in the lower 10%,and physically is in the top 10%.

LOL. Put f'ing Kobayashi on the horse and he wins. Gomez either waited to lose there or wasn't good enough. I'm sure LoseGlue knows that. He shouldn't "half" to tell us .

[SCUDSBROTHER]

According to you clowns,Bling should have been 3-1(because Baffert didn't like the 1 hole.)Gee,seems like people thought the horse was good enough to overcome it.Real easy,after the fact,to say a horse was a bad favorite,or a play against,or that the post made him unplayable.This is Gander style.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

According to you clowns,Bling should have been 3-1(because Baffert didn't like the 1 hole.)Gee,seems like people thought the horse was good enough to overcome it.Real easy,after the fact,to say a horse was a bad favorite,or a play against,or that the post made him unplayable.This is Gander style.

No TMB was the correct favorite off of his PP's, but come on, 6-5 in a competitive race where the trainer is obviously uncomfortable about running. Maybe TMB wasn't 100% who knows, but Baffert who is usually as confident as can be tipped everyone off to this one.

Originally Posted by LOSE=GLUE

Do you even follow the DRF or racing in general? Baffert said before they went to NY from Cali that they didn't want to run considering he drew the 1 hole. And that was before the race. then in retrospect he was right they all broke well but gomez cannot afford to send going that far and then let songster sit in 3rd and run by them when they turn for home. He was stuck and by the sounds of the interviews by baffert after the race he knew that was gonna happen. The horse never has won from the inside. It is just asking too much for a 3yo to go balls out for 7 F. You Sound like you need to read the form a little more before you pin a bad ride on someone.

OF COURSE I SHOULDN'T HALF TO TELL YOU THIS IF YOUR A TRUE HANDICAPER. I SINGLED SONGSTER on my Pick 4 doesn't take a genious to figure that out!!!

Well said, and I'm with you on Songster, he was a much better single than TMB. SCUDS is just sour because his handicapping was poor, not the ride.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Sweetness

Well said, and I'm with you on Songster, he was a much better single than TMB. SCUDS is just sour because his handicapping was poor, not the ride.

Yeah, there are no bad rides.Just bad handicappers.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Yeah, there are no bad rides.Just bad handicappers.

No there are both, as well as bad bets, and TMB was a bad bet to win in that race plain and simple.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Kobayashi is destroying the competition once again.What a star.54 dogs n' buns.A new world record.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Kobayashi is destroying the competition once again.What a star.54 dogs n' buns.A new world record.

Scuds,
Man would I hate to be in Kobayashi's bathroom tomorrow morning!!!
Thunder coming! Plenty of wind!
Wonder if it will show up on the weather channel.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Scuds,
Man would I hate to be in Kobayashi's bathroom tomorrow morning!!!
Thunder coming! Plenty of wind!
Wonder if it will show up on the weather channel.

KOBAYASHI put the fat man away in the final 16th.It just seems that the young man can raise his game to match any competition.Makes you wonder if he will ever be beaten in this Championship. A true star in the food -eatin' competitions.DTS,He probably does have a bathroom with a T.V. built into the wall. This is a star,and a true food eatin' star has access to these amenities.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Yeah, there are no bad rides.Just bad handicappers.

It was an awful ride. Nothing good was going to happen sitting 1/2 or 3/4 length off the lead on the rail. Had to send there, hang Songster 3-w then 2-w and try to last.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

It was an awful ride. Nothing good was going to happen sitting 1/2 or 3/4 length off the lead on the rail. Had to send there, hang Songster 3-w then 2-w and try to last.

So there is no way it is possible that Baffert wanted Gomez to sit there, like Behaving Badly did, right? Come on guys, let's be serious for a second if the hole opens there is no way you are going to convince me that he was going to blow by Songster. You guys are acting like Songster is some pig. He is an improving colt with a big future.