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[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Brian

Whats wrong with a standard assult charge? Why does someones sexual orientation have to come into play at all.

Because there are other hate crime laws. If you're advocating that we repeal all hate crime laws, that's a different point and one that you're certainly entitled to make.

All you've argued so far is that gays are icky, should never leave the house with their partner, and that if they get killed they deserved it anyway, if I may sum up all your posts with one cogent sentence.

If hate crime laws exist, and they do, then homosexuality should very well be covered. What's wrong with a standard assault charge against a person who kills a Muslim (or someone he or she even thinks is a Muslim) in the street while shouting anti-Muslim racist filth at them? Laws are in place to protect those groups right now, because an attack like that would terrorize the entire Muslim community and not just the victim. If you've never been a part of a group that has been terrorized by a crime like that, you can't understand -- and that's fine, I wish that were the case with me. I think you're lucky if that's never happened to you.

The only real argument that can be made against this bill is that all hate crime laws should be eliminated -- in which case, it's time for everyone who opposed this bill to start calling their Congresspeople to make sure that they get right on that.

[The Bid]

Gays shouldnt be entitled to any special rights, or laws. They should keep their sexual orientation to themselves and there would be a lot less beatings.

I never said gays are icky, I dont want homosexuality forced down my throat. If I wanted to see gay men touch each other Ill go to a Chip N Dale show.

Yes, all hate crimes should be eliminated, and they should elimiate affirmative action while they are at it.

[Antitrust32]

man I wish the shoe was on the other foot for one week. All those ignorant "straights" would have a huge change of opinion.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

man I wish the shoe was on the other foot for one week. All those ignorant "straights" would have a huge change of opinion.

Don't go bunching all straight people in that category...

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Don't go bunching all straight people in that category...

I guess I used the "" in the wrong part. I meant all the "ignorant straights" not that all straights are ignorant! I know better!!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Don't go bunching all straight people in that category...

YEAH! lol what she said.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Wow, just read through this and all I can say is wow.

you know how i roll.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

you know how i roll.

I showed as much restraint as possible....

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Well it is interesting to see different points of view, and to try and understand where they are coming from, no matter how hard it is to understand. I think by living in the Northeast I sort of forget how much different it is in other parts of the country, and how different parts of the country aren't as liberal as the Northeast and especially New York.

I know exactly what you mean, having lived in Portland, Oregon. I got used to it there and then moved back to the Midwest. Outside of Chicago, the entire region is more or less conservative. I had come to just assume that most regions were like Portland (which is basically the west coast version of liberal NE cities) and it was a rude awakening to realize that I had been living in fantasy world out there.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

man I wish the shoe was on the other foot for one week. All those ignorant "straights" would have a huge change of opinion.

Hey, don't generalize. That's the fastest way to turn it us vs. them, and there are a hell of a lot of them who don't blame gays for gay-bashing and plenty of them who see the problem with this bill getting vetoed.

[The Bid]

I also dont think they should be able to adopt children or get married.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I also dont think they should be able to adopt children or get married.

And how is this hurting you?

Well... I know several gay couples who have adopted children and I can assure you that they are better parents to those children than most parents in a 'normal' situation. I think that if the child is treated with love and respect, fed and clothed and taught moral values then it's OK. It's a popular misconception that a child raised in a gay environment will 'turn' gay. I believe it's more hereditary. I have about (give or take a few) ten gay friends... because I hang out with them, does that make me gay? The last time I checked, I was straight as an arrow...

[The Bid]

Since when is teaching moral values accepting homosexuality?

It hurts me because it hurts the children.

Its ridiculous to think a child has the capacity to understand homosexuality, they dont. It will cause confusion, doubt, insecurity, etc. I cant think of many situations worse than having a kid teased his entire life because he had two parents of the same sex. Can you imagine being that child growing up in school? I think instead of trying to be liberal and accepting, sometimes people have to have some common sense. Common sense will tell you thats not the environment to raise a child.

Im not reaching at all, if a straight couple was having sex in a park youd run them off, say something, or slap someone. If a gay couple was having sex in a park youd run them off, say something, or slap someone. Brian is saying thats a hate crime. I say its a well deserved beating.

[Danzig]

i don't really agree with hate crime laws. in my mind, all crimes are hate crimes. i don't know that someone should get less time for killing someone who wasn't a minority. that doesn't make sense. why a difference? murder is murder, assault is assault.
right?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by The Bid

They should keep their sexual orientation to themselves and there would be a lot less beatings.

I'm glad I have finally been able to meet (albeit, online) a real, live victim-blamer. I'd heard lots about them on certain blogs when people say that women who get raped were asking for it by doing certain things. I had just never really had the distinct pleasure of encountering one on my own.

I personally don't give a **** how anyone feels about how someone lives their lives, it will never be an excuse for hurting them. And this is the second time now that you've indirectly and intentionally excused gay-bashing by blaming it on homosexuals. Of course, advocating gay-bashing is your right, but it's just good to know how people really feel.

Originally Posted by The Bid

Gays shouldnt be entitled to any special rights...Yes, all hate crimes should be eliminated, and they should elimiate affirmative action while they are at it.

These two go together. If gays shouldn't be entitled to "special rights" granted by hate-crime bills, neither should Christians or African-Americans or Muslims or Mexicans.