Post Position Draw List

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I take PP into consideration... definitely. The chances of a horse winning out of one of the far outside posts are probably slim.

Past winning post positions (past 20 years):

1986 - 1
1987 - 4
1988 - 8
1989 - 10
1990 - 7
1991 - 4
1992 - 7
1993 - 6
1994 - 6
1995 - 11
1996 - 4
1997 - 6
1998 - 2
1999 - 11
2000 - 12
2001 - 16
2002 - 5
2003 - 6
2004 - 15
2005 - 10
2006 - 8

You forgot one.
2007 - 9.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by miraja2

You forgot one.
2007 - 9.

That's right! Since horses coming out of the 9 hole haven't won in 20 years, I'm starting to doubt my dream!

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

That's right! Since horses coming out of the 9 hole haven't won in 20 years, I'm starting to doubt my dream!

That just means the 9-hole is due.
BUT.....what are we going to do if Cowtown Cat draws post 9?
Whose psychic abilities will win out....yours or mine?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by miraja2

That just means the 9-hole is due.
BUT.....what are we going to do if Cowtown Cat draws post 9?
Whose psychic abilities will win out....yours or mine?

Hopefully mine, but I won't hold my breath on that one!

[ArlJim78]

I have always felt that it would be more fair to use another system, not a random order draw. They have strict rules to follow to get into the race, governed by the graded stakes earnings. But once you're in when it comes to the post position its just totally random order.

If it were me I would have two tiers. The top ten money earners would participate in a random draw for the first 10 post positions.

Then the bottom ten money earners would select in random order for the remaining ten positions.

Any system that allows Storminmay to choose first has to be changed imo.

[jman5581]

I don't see why it should be different than any other race. This is favoritism, plain and simple...They all pay the same entry fee right?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by jman5581

I don't see why it should be different than any other race. This is favoritism, plain and simple...They all pay the same entry fee right?

Because its not like any other race since it has twenty postions.
One year when there is a big favorite that is a real popular fan favorite that draws pp 20, then you're going to see people squealing for change.

I want to find the owner of a real contender who draws pp 20 who is not bitter and likes his chances.

[ArlJim78]

I liked SNS last year and was really pleased when he got post 11 I believe.
All that was for naught however because within 50 yards he got cracked from the outside and was pushed in several pathes.

Its a bit of a crapshoot with regard to how cleanly your horse comes through the first turn no matter where they draw.

[jman5581]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I liked SNS last year and was really pleased when he got post 11 I believe.
All that was for naught however because within 50 yards he got cracked from the outside and was pushed in several pathes.

Its a bit of a crapshoot with regard to how cleanly your horse comes through the first turn no matter where they draw.

That's the truth of the matter.

Total earnings: 2 and 3 year old seasons, graded stakes races only....

$685,321

Cost of travel, stable and board, jockey fees, trainer fees, vet bills, medical expenses and entry fees...

$132,589

Purchase price at yearling sale, exclusive of agent's commission...

$450,000

Finding out you're getting the 19 post because Storm in May draw a better ping pong ball then you....

Priceless.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by jman5581

That's the truth of the matter.

No it really isn't...any horse in any position can encounter problems that is true but the chances are greatly increased inside at CD...stand in the starting gate in post position #1 and look straight ahead...you'll see the inside rail...because of the track layout, inside horses will be squeezed and this will make for considerable bumping and many horses lose the race in the run to the first turn....the last winner from pp#1 was Ferdinand with the great Shoe aboard...he was a dead closer and the Shoe dropped him back and threaded the needle like only one of the all-time greats could do!

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I have always felt that it would be more fair to use another system, not a random order draw. They have strict rules to follow to get into the race, governed by the graded stakes earnings. But once you're in when it comes to the post position its just totally random order.

If it were me I would have two tiers. The top ten money earners would participate in a random draw for the first 10 post positions.

Then the bottom ten money earners would select in random order for the remaining ten positions.

Any system that allows Storminmay to choose first has to be changed imo.

I disagree. Why should it matter what post Storm in May chooses? If the favorite is such a great horse, he should win regardless, right? Do you really think the best position (which is what, by the way?) is going to give Storm in May a chance to win? Nah...

This is the fairest way of doing it IMO.

[XIIPointStables]

Certainly not great news for AGS...we'll see how things fall tonight.

1, 19 or 20 seem to the logical landing spots.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I disagree. Why should it matter what post Storm in May chooses? If the favorite is such a great horse, he should win regardless, right? Do you really think the best position (which is what, by the way?) is going to give Storm in May a chance to win? Nah...

This is the fairest way of doing it IMO.

In a regular race, yes. In a 20 horse scrum, it's not quite so easy to state that.

Plus, if Kaplan is smart, the Derby's already in the bag since we all know that the winner comes out of 9 this year.

[jman5581]

ArlJim,

We all know the "real" solution is a track and field style start with the outside being progressively closer to the finish line

[MarkyD]

Has anybody ever won from the 19-20 hole ?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I disagree. Why should it matter what post Storm in May chooses? If the favorite is such a great horse, he should win regardless, right? Do you really think the best position (which is what, by the way?) is going to give Storm in May a chance to win? Nah...

This is the fairest way of doing it IMO.

no it doesn't matter where Storm In May starts, and there is no one exact best post. However there are some that are nearly impossible in my view.

You would have no issues with Scat Daddy in PP20, and view his chances as just the same as any other pp?

I just think its not like other races because of trying to push so many horses through the same space.

I would be all for the total random system up to a point, but 20 horses is ridiculous.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

no it doesn't matter where Storm In May starts, and there is no one exact best post. However there are some that are nearly impossible in my view.

You would have no issues with Scat Daddy in PP20, and view his chances as just the same as any other pp?

I just think its not like other races because of trying to push so many horses through the same space.

I would be all for the total random system up to a point, but 20 horses is ridiculous.

Of course I'd have an issue, but the reality is is that each of these horses is in the gate because they (supposedly) deserve to be there. It's only fair that it's a random drawing... perhaps they should all just take their ball and go home since Street Sense and Scat are the highest in earnings.