How to ruin a horse: Jamie Sanders Edition

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I applaud Jamie Sanders for actually having the audacity to RACE her nice horse. Imagine that. She runs her boy...anywhere. Not that I think the Woodforde is a good place for him...certainly not, but I admire her gumption...she's running her boy this weekend come hell or high water!! This horse reminds of days gone by...I love it. 15 races for this 3 yr old...make that 16 by Saturday!!

There is a huge difference between racing your horse often and racing your horse often in no chance spots. This horse should have run in the Derby Trial and then gone to the Lone Star Derby.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Sanders and her partner remind me of skinny versions of Roseanne and Dan Conner.

PWT

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

ANY race but the Derby!
this is a nice horse, but I'm afraid she might "go to the well" once too often with him in tough spots.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

There is a huge difference between racing your horse often and racing your horse often in no chance spots. This horse should have run in the Derby Trial and then gone to the Lone Star Derby.

And you were of the opinion Blue Grass week that this horse would be within a half length of winning that grade 1 at 9f??? And I dont' want to hear about the pace, polytrack, any of that crap. Most gave that horse zero shot in that race, myself included. There is no reason for her not to try this horse in the Derby or use the Woodforde on turf as a prep for the Preakness if she wants. I personally think this horse has a better chance than either Bwana Bull and Xchanger who are keeping T out of the Derby which is a shame.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

And you were of the opinion Blue Grass week that this horse would be within a half length of winning that grade 1 at 9f??? And I dont' want to hear about the pace, polytrack, any of that crap. Most gave that horse zero shot in that race, myself included. There is no reason for her not to try this horse in the Derby or use the Woodforde on turf as a prep for the Preakness if she wants. I personally think this horse has a better chance than either Bwana Bull and Xchanger who are keeping T out of the Derby which is a shame.

Time Squared was about two lengths back in that race as well. That's wonderful that you don't want to hear anything about that crap but it was a race scenario that will never be duplicated on dirt and certainly not in the Stampede sponsored by Yum.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Time Squared was about two lengths back in that race as well. That's wonderful that you don't want to hear anything about that crap but it was a race scenario that will never be duplicated on dirt and certainly not in the Stampede sponsored by Yum.

Is the Southwest Stakes a race scenario that will ever be duplicated on dirt?? I'm just sick of the absolute bashing of Sanders on here. The horse is 1-1 against Hard Spun and has a 1st, 2 3rds and a 4th in 4 major preps this year and the 4th was less than a half length back. This horse is better than Sedgefield, Bwana Bull, Xchanger, Cobalt Blue, Liquidity, Storm in May, off the top of my head. Is distance a question...of course it is. I can name about 18 horses that that question applies to however. The bashing of Sanders is nonsensical at best.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

This horse is better than Sedgefield, Bwana Bull, Xchanger, Cobalt Blue, Liquidity, Storm in May, off the top of my head.

No.

[Scurlogue Champ]

I think they should keep her out of the Derby just so we don't have to see her and the boyfriend in the paddock on camera trashing it up.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Is the Southwest Stakes a race scenario that will ever be duplicated on dirt?? I'm just sick of the absolute bashing of Sanders on here. The horse is 1-1 against Hard Spun and has a 1st, 2 3rds and a 4th in 4 major preps this year and the 4th was less than a half length back. This horse is better than Sedgefield, Bwana Bull, Xchanger, Cobalt Blue, Liquidity, Storm in May, off the top of my head. Is distance a question...of course it is. I can name about 18 horses that that question applies to however. The bashing of Sanders is nonsensical at best.

The horse is better than Sedgefield, Bwana Bull, Xchanger, Cobalt Blue, Liquidity and Storm in May at distances less than 8.5 furlongs.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

The horse is better than Sedgefield, Bwana Bull, Xchanger, Cobalt Blue, Liquidity and Storm in May at distances less than 8.5 furlongs.

HOw many of THOSE horses have you seen run more than 9f?? I saw Teuflesberg actually finish well ahead of xchanger at 8.5 furlongs unless I'm crazy...yeah...xchanger didn't like the track...hard spun disease I guess!!

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

HOw many of THOSE horses have you seen run more than 9f?? I saw Teuflesberg actually finish well ahead of xchanger at 8.5 furlongs unless I'm crazy...yeah...xchanger didn't like the track...hard spun disease I guess!!

Come off it... everyone on here knows what a huge fan I am of Teuflesberg... but let's be real here. How did he look in the Blue Grass to YOU? He looked staggering exhausted to me coming down the stretch! Geesh. Unreal.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Is the Southwest Stakes a race scenario that will ever be duplicated on dirt?? I'm just sick of the absolute bashing of Sanders on here. The horse is 1-1 against Hard Spun and has a 1st, 2 3rds and a 4th in 4 major preps this year and the 4th was less than a half length back. This horse is better than Sedgefield, Bwana Bull, Xchanger, Cobalt Blue, Liquidity, Storm in May, off the top of my head. Is distance a question...of course it is. I can name about 18 horses that that question applies to however. The bashing of Sanders is nonsensical at best.

I don't think anyone here is questioning that he is a solid horse at a mile. No one thinks he has any business going onto the Derby and the idea that he might go to the Woodford Reserve is laughable. He may be better than those horses but they all have more graded earnings than him. If those trainers were 2 for 86 on the year and talking about running in the Woodford Reserve if they got shut out of the Derby then they'd be getting the same treatment.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I don't think anyone here is questioning that he is a solid horse at a mile. No one thinks he has any business going onto the Derby and the idea that he might go to the Woodford Reserve is laughable. He may be better than those horses but they all have more graded earnings than him. If those trainers were 2 for 86 on the year and talking about running in the Woodford Reserve if they got shut out of the Derby then they'd be getting the same treatment.

I know nothing of Sanders...I actually never heard of her til Teuflesberg. It seems people are putting their feelings of Sanders as the main focus for what Teuflesberg should do. TEUFLESBERGS PERFORMANCES THIS YEAR WERE IN THE RIGHT SPOTS AND HAVE EMBARRASED THE HORSE ZERO. Those are the facts. Sanders may be the worst trainer on earth. I have no idea. I have not seen overwhelmingly bad performances from this horse since the BC Juvenile last year. None. So you're gonna tell me Sanders is the first trainer to take a shot with a "no chance" horse in the Derby?? Lukas has done it, Pletcher has done it, Baffert has done it, Zito has done it. This horse is better than some those guys have sent to the gate.

[Bobby Fischer]

Good horse for cheap dirt or turf or poly miles.
Not all that fast but needs to lead.
a mile or 8.5 is the limit.
Prado couldn't win with the horse in the bluegrass after getting a dream pace, a surface edge over SS and GH, and swinging out into horses paths - says the horse isn't that good. Really needs to get a nice start to succeed and usually has gate trouble so that somewhat limits this one.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

The bashing of Sanders is nonsensical at best.

I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt with Teuflesberg and the Derby. But the older turf race? Please. She runs one horse after another over its head. That's why she's winning less than five percent of her starts. She certainly hasn't accomplished enough to merit the kind of attention that she's attracted.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt with Teuflesberg and the Derby. But the older turf race? Please. She runs one horse after another over its head. That's why she's winning less than five percent of her starts. She certainly hasn't accomplished enough to merit the kind of attention that she's attracted.

AS I said, I know nothing about Sanders. All I know is what I've seen in Teuflesberg's 4 races this year and he would be far from the worst entrant I've seen in the Derby. I'm not saying he's the winner or top 10 even, but I think he is better than several entrants ahead of him. I'm looking at the this horse alone...not what she's done with her entire fleet. This horse has been handled fine this year.

[ArlJim78]

Her record speaks for itself, its abysmal.

i guess if you like to see frequent racing with infrequent wins, she's your trainer.

[parsixfarms]

This is why she is winning races at a microscopic percentage.