Scat Daddy

[hockey2315]

He won't hit the board. . .

[FlBred]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

He won't hit the board. . .

that is great, but my question is why is this horse not getting any love? I am not debating, just trying to figure out what I may not be seeing. Anyone can throw out predictions like "he wont hit the board"

[dr. fager]

My two cents...worth about 1/2 of one.

My problem is his route to the Derby...last prep 5wks out in Florida worked once so far last year and I think we all can agree that Barbaro was pretty special. I'm not willing to throw him out underneath but I never liked a horse coming out of Florida for his last race, looking elsewhere.

[blackthroatedwind]

He's too slow.

His entire career has been consistent....consistently good but far from superior. He's possibly the most glaring sucker horse in this Derby.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He's too slow.

His entire career has been consistent....consistently good but far from superior. He's possibly the most glaring sucker horse in this Derby.

Problem is that seems to be the case with most of the field. Other than Street Sense, Any Given Saturday, and Curlin I don't see anyone else that much faster than Scat Daddy. I won't be playing him in the win spot on Derby Day but will definitely be including him underneath.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Problem is that seems to be the case with most of the field. Other than Street Sense, Any Given Saturday, and Curlin I don't see anyone else that much faster than Scat Daddy. I won't be playing him in the win spot on Derby Day but will definitely be including him underneath.

I don't particularly disagree but it feels like his odds are lower than his actual chances of winning. He is a model of consistency, and not only does that make him slower than at least a few serious contenders, it also makes him less likely to dramatically improve. To me he is somewhat reminiscent of Lawyer Ron, or High Fly, in that he's clearly talented but also clearly slower than more than a few, and will take real money.

Not that I am endorsing him, but I feel like Tiago is in some ways a more likely winner, in that he COULD improve. I also feel like he is likely to lose to Scat Daddy but I am not sure he isn't a likelier winner of the race.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't particularly disagree but it feels like his odds are lower than his actual chances of winning. He is a model of consistency, and not only does that make him slower than at least a few serious contenders, it also makes him less likely to dramatically improve. To me he is somewhat reminiscent of Lawyer Ron, or High Fly, in that he's clearly talented but also clearly slower than more than a few, and will take real money.

Not that I am endorsing him, but I feel like Tiago is in some ways a more likely winner, in that he COULD improve. I also feel like he is likely to lose to Scat Daddy but I am not sure he isn't a likelier winner of the race.

Tiago will be on every Triple and Super I play. I feel he will improve, and even if he does not get the dream trip he did in his last, he will still be able to get up for a piece.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't particularly disagree but it feels like his odds are lower than his actual chances of winning. He is a model of consistency, and not only does that make him slower than at least a few serious contenders, it also makes him less likely to dramatically improve. To me he is somewhat reminiscent of Lawyer Ron, or High Fly, in that he's clearly talented but also clearly slower than more than a few, and will take real money.

Not that I am endorsing him, but I feel like Tiago is in some ways a more likely winner, in that he COULD improve. I also feel like he is likely to lose to Scat Daddy but I am not sure he isn't a likelier winner of the race.

Tiago is my fifth choice (behind Nobiz). Sam P is another sleeper I think could hit the board if they take the blinkers off and get him off the pace.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Tiago is my fifth choice (behind Nobiz). Sam P is another sleeper I think could hit the board if they take the blinkers off and get him off the pace.

I don't want to marry myself to anyone before really looking at the pps but right now Sam P interests me as well. Some of it may be that I always thought he had potential when he broke his maiden at Saratoga but he also feels like the only horse coming into this Derby who ran much better in his final prep than it looks on paper.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't want to marry myself to anyone before really looking at the pps but right now Sam P interests me as well. Some of it may be that I always thought he had potential when he broke his maiden at Saratoga but he also feels like the only horse coming into this Derby who ran much better in his final prep than it looks on paper.

Yeah, he comes from off the pace there and he is probably the Santa Anita Derby winner rather than Tiago. I'm normally not into watching pre-Derby works but he is one horse I'll be watching closely. If it looks like they are working him to rate then I'll be very interested. If they are working him alone in bullet times then I want nothing to do with him in the Derby.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Lawyer Ron, or High Fly.

I think these are very apt comparisons.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I think these are very apt comparisons.

Yeah, I guess the credible counter argument is that those two met arguably more intimidating fields but they do seem like very comparable horses.

[Java Gold]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't particularly disagree but it feels like his odds are lower than his actual chances of winning. He is a model of consistency, and not only does that make him slower than at least a few serious contenders, it also makes him less likely to dramatically improve. To me he is somewhat reminiscent of Lawyer Ron, or High Fly, in that he's clearly talented but also clearly slower than more than a few, and will take real money.

Not that I am endorsing him, but I feel like Tiago is in some ways a more likely winner, in that he COULD improve. I also feel like he is likely to lose to Scat Daddy but I am not sure he isn't a likelier winner of the race.

Tiago? puhllezz he could not hold Scat Dady's jock. Your cash 5/5 is greatly appreciated.

Java OUT

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Java Gold

Tiago? puhllezz he could not hold Scat Dady's jock. Your cash 5/5 is greatly appreciated.

Java OUT

The real question is who's jock are you currently holding?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The real question is who's jock are you currently holding?

Oh wow... LOL

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Java Gold

Tiago? puhllezz he could not hold Scat Dady's jock. Your cash 5/5 is greatly appreciated.

Java OUT

Aren't you the guy who is real high on Cobalt Blue?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Aren't you the guy who is real high on Cobalt Blue?

You mean this post....under the heading " No need to name 5 "

Originally Posted by Java Gold

Cobalt Blue...who cares about the rest... huge futures at huge odds...


Java Gold

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Aren't you the guy who is real high on Cobalt Blue?

He has already defeated Level Red AND Air Commander in the same race.
Clearly he is the class of the crop.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Problem is that seems to be the case with most of the field. Other than Street Sense, Any Given Saturday, and Curlin I don't see anyone else that much faster than Scat Daddy. I won't be playing him in the win spot on Derby Day but will definitely be including him underneath.

Nobiz is faster when not running all over the track in the strech. I don't buy Curlin yet, if he beats me in the Derby so be it, then I will be a believer in him. I concur that Scat Daddy is just slower, but people say Nobiz is too. I do think Scat Daddy will be the best finisher of all the Pletch horses, I just don't think he will be in the top 3, maybe not even 4.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

He won't hit the board. . .

I disagree.