Derby angles

[somerfrost]

Some stats on the RAN Curse (#9)...these are dated but they are the last I have (I stopped keeping a lot of stats a few years ago)...from 1980 to 2001, 25% of all Derby starters had RAN in sire's sire line, 23% had RAN in dam's sire line....9 winners from sire line, 0 from dam line. In addition, the winner in 2002, 2003, and 2004 had RAN in sire line. So, since 1980 there have been 12 winners with RAN in sire's sire line, 1 with RAN in dam's sire line. I'm not that industrious to figure out total # of starters in the past 26 years but I assume it's over 400, 23% of 400 is 92, so we'll say at least 90 horses with RAN in dam's sire line have started with 1 win.

[Withers]

I'm confused about #15 -- the million in earnings. Smarty Jones definitely had earned more than a million before he went for the Derby.

[slotdirt]

No he hadn't. He definitely hadn't.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

No he hadn't. He definitely hadn't.

Didn't he get a 5 million dollar bonus for sweeping the Southwest, Rebel and Arkansas Derby or something like that?

Edit: Somer's post above explains.

[slotdirt]

Southwest, Rebel, Arkansas Derby, AND Kentucky Derby. He wasn't over $1 million heading into the Derby.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Southwest, Rebel, Arkansas Derby, AND Kentucky Derby. He wasn't over $1 million heading into the Derby.

Thanks... I couldn't remember what it entailed.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Withers

I'm confused about #15 -- the million in earnings. Smarty Jones definitely had earned more than a million before he went for the Derby.

No, that's incorrect! His pre-Derby earnings were $878,355...most of that the $600,000 for the Ark Derby. His Derby win, due to the bonus that year for the Ark races and Derby was $5,854,800.

[Withers]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

No, that's incorrect! His pre-Derby earnings were $878,355...most of that the $600,000 for the Ark Derby. His Derby win, due to the bonus that year for the Ark races and Derby was $5,854,800.

My bad: you're right.

[alysheba4]

somer, im shocked your angles havent caused the usual squables that seem to happen year after year

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

somer, im shocked your angles havent caused the usual squables that seem to happen year after year

There have been some...here and in Curlin thread. All in all, folks aren't as ill-tempered as on the ESPN Board...one of many reasons we are all here!