Curlin to be m/l fav

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Exactly. What most people don't seem to recongnize is that all dosage points mean at this point is how close in your pedigree you are to the old time stallions. They have become completely obsolete.

Perhaps, but it's just another angle that hasn't really been broken yet. Maybe coincidence...

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Perhaps, but it's just another angle that hasn't really been broken yet. Maybe coincidence...

The problem is getting worse and worse as new stallions aren't added. As slotdirt just pointed out a horse could easily win the Derby with less than 16 points and then later qualify when a new stallion is added. To use them at the time of the race doesn't work.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The problem is getting worse and worse as new stallions aren't added. As slotdirt just pointed out a horse could easily win the Derby with less than 16 points and then later qualify when a new stallion is added. To use them at the time of the race doesn't work.

Again...misinformation!
Only 5 horses had 16 or fewer points in DP at time of race, 3 had exactly 16. Stallions ARE made CDR's when they deserve it...same as always! Sunday Silence had 16 pts when he won...he has 36 now but is listed as having 16.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Again...misinformation!
Only 5 horses had 16 or fewer points in DP at time of race, 3 had exactly 16. Stallions ARE made CDR's when they deserve it...same as always! Sunday Silence had 16 pts when he won...he has 36 now but is listed as having 16.

For those that would like to see:

http://www.chef-de-race.com/dosage/c...rby_dosage.htm

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Again...misinformation!
Only 5 horses had 16 or fewer points in DP at time of race, 3 had exactly 16. Stallions ARE made CDR's when they deserve it...same as always! Sunday Silence had 16 pts when he won...he has 36 now but is listed as having 16.

What misinformation did I give? I said a horse could win the Derby with less than 16 dosage points and later when another stallion in their pedigree is added would have more than 16 dosage points and meet the criteria. That is 100% correct.

[Sightseek]

I can't decide which I want more....Street Sense to put to sleep the juvie jinx or this RAN curse thing....

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I can't decide which I want more....Street Sense to put to sleep the juvie jinx or this RAN curse thing....

As far as I'm concerned, the RAN curse has been broken... I didn't toss Barbaro last year because of it, either. I just didn't see a better horse in the Derby last year. To me, he was the clear winner. I don't see that this year, unfortunately.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I can't decide which I want more....Street Sense to put to sleep the juvie jinx or this RAN curse thing....

The RAN thing is so ludicrous that I'm not even going to bother arguing it. They might as well come up with a curse for horses that ran February 12th with blinkers off and first lasix not being able to win the Derby since it would be about as signficant.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The RAN thing is so ludicrous that I'm not even going to bother arguing it. They might as well come up with a curse for horses that ran February 12th with blinkers off and first lasix not being able to win the Derby since it would be about as signficant.

There is no real argument to it...despite the huge success that RAN has had as the sire line for Derby winners, he has had only one horse (Barbaro) win the Derby with the dam sire-line tracing to him...this despite the huge number of successful broodmare sires he's produced. I don't believe in curses...that's just the name given to this fact...but it is what it is! If you want to examine possible reasons, I refer to the research done regarding the LH+ theories and the theories that contend that a horse will get speed from sire and stamina from dam...if that is true, and I believe it is, then a "B" CDR like RAN would figure to be better suited in the sire line for distance racing.