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Old 04-22-2007, 09:06 AM
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Might want to add XCHANGER to the list.

I saw his win at Pimlico in the Tesio yesterday and he looked pretty sharp in getting it done. His owners want to go - Shuman, prior to yesterday, felt he was a cut below. The Tesio might have changed his mind, assuming the horse comes back from the race ok. I don't think the effort took anything out of him because he was an easy handride the last 1/8th.

If Ramon is available to ride, I think you'll see him the first Sat in May.
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Old 04-22-2007, 07:40 PM
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You know ,Steve, I have always been a large admirer of your fine work.





What are your thoughts regarding the 8 weeks for OClay and in general...SamP?..... and also if you have any feelings on lol lol lol.


Thanks in advance.
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Old 04-23-2007, 08:39 AM
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You know ,Steve, I have always been a large admirer of your fine work.

What are your thoughts regarding the 8 weeks for OClay and in general...SamP?..... and also if you have any feelings on lol lol lol.

Thanks in advance.
MDF,

I was worried that there was a 'real' issue with CircQuay when Pletcher passed on the Wood, but his subsequent works say he's fine. The effort in the Louisiana Derby was a huge career best, and the chances of him running back to it with a race in the interim weren't good. Pletcher is well aware of how much time it takes a horse to recover from an effort like that, and I also understand thatr Angel Cordero was pushing to skip the Wood. Basically I'm more concerned about the pace set-up not being to Circular Quay's advantage than I am about the 8 weeks...

Sam P. is a 'nice' horse that really hasn't moved forward at all at three. He was too close to the Santa Anita Derby pace to be effective and think he'll get his run in Derby Day. And remember that Ramon Dominguez rode Bluegrass Cat last year and gets the call on Sam P. I'd guess his best races come later in the year and would say he is a use in the Derby only on the bottom of the widest trifecta and superfecta plays.

As for Lol Lol Lol, the less we say here the better if we expect to pull off the betting coup we are all hoping for with him... her... it...
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:29 AM
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It's amazing to me how much we think alike,Steve.


I appreciate your time here,although I'm not so sure what you said about lol lol lol .We shall see.




Sightseeing is defnitely not running....right?
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:04 PM
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Suddenly, Teufelsberg on fence...

With the possible inclusions of Xchanger, Slew's Tizzy and Sedgefield in the Derby, Teufelsberg now sitting 21st...

ALSO.. Chelokee is likely NOT running even if the path were to be cleared for him.. Ran off 2.5 miles over the weekend and has a small hoof issue as well, and Matz does not want to waste or ruin him with a Derby try...

Sedgefield leaning towards a run; Slew's Tizzy appears 50-50; No word on Xchanger as of this afternoon..


Graded Stakes Earnings List (B-H):

1 Street Sense $1,482,000
2 Scat Daddy $1,308,500
3 Circular Quay $1,116,134
4 Curlin $780,000
5 Nobiz Like Shobiz $778,500
6 Great Hunter $752,500
7 Stormello $642,900
8 Dominican $498,484
9 Tiago $450,000
10 Cowtown Cat $437,253
11 Hard Spun $360,000
12 Storm in May $227,500
13 Slew's Tizzy $207,500
14 Zanjero $205,000
15 Xchanger $202,890
16 Any Given Saturday $177,969
17 Liquidity $161,200
18 Cobalt Blue $150,000
19 Sam P. $146,500
20 Sedgefield $127,500
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21 Teuflesberg $122,942
22 Imawildandcrazyguy $104,000
23 Chelokee $100,000 DOUBTFUL..
24 Reporting for Duty $100,000
25 Starbase $93,106
26 Delightful Kiss $83,000
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:09 PM
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VERY happy to see Matz doing the right thing by the horse. Love him.

I would also love to see Slew's Tizzy take a shot at the Preakness and not run back in two weeks. He is a beauty and I don't want him ruined. I would also like to have them try him on the grass...
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:13 PM
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Kentucky Derby website updated a bit with more contenders...

http://www.kentuckyderby.com/2007/derby_contenders

I've got to think that Kev will be blowing a few bucks on the full brother to English Channel.
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:20 PM
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ALSO.. Chelokee is likely NOT running even if the path were to be cleared for him.. Ran off 2.5 miles over the weekend and has a small hoof issue as well, and Matz does not want to waste or ruin him with a Derby try...
Are you saying he ran off for 2.5 miles, or he galloped 2.5 miles?
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:36 PM
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i don't know who lolol is but tiago is lookin mighty nice to me
Oh my God.






You should take a closer look at lol lol lol then.
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:31 PM
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Suddenly, Teufelsberg on fence...

With the possible inclusions of Xchanger, Slew's Tizzy and Sedgefield in the Derby, Teufelsberg now sitting 21st...

ALSO.. Chelokee is likely NOT running even if the path were to be cleared for him.. Ran off 2.5 miles over the weekend and has a small hoof issue as well, and Matz does not want to waste or ruin him with a Derby try...

Sedgefield leaning towards a run; Slew's Tizzy appears 50-50; No word on Xchanger as of this afternoon..


Graded Stakes Earnings List (B-H):

1 Street Sense $1,482,000
2 Scat Daddy $1,308,500
3 Circular Quay $1,116,134
4 Curlin $780,000
5 Nobiz Like Shobiz $778,500
6 Great Hunter $752,500
7 Stormello $642,900
8 Dominican $498,484
9 Tiago $450,000
10 Cowtown Cat $437,253
11 Hard Spun $360,000
12 Storm in May $227,500
13 Slew's Tizzy $207,500
14 Zanjero $205,000
15 Xchanger $202,890
16 Any Given Saturday $177,969
17 Liquidity $161,200
18 Cobalt Blue $150,000
19 Sam P. $146,500
20 Sedgefield $127,500
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21 Teuflesberg $122,942
22 Imawildandcrazyguy $104,000
23 Chelokee $100,000 DOUBTFUL..
24 Reporting for Duty $100,000
25 Starbase $93,106
26 Delightful Kiss $83,000
This may seem like a real dumb question, but what does it mean when someone states a horse "ran off"? Is this when the jockey is thrown and the horse bolts around the track all out?
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This may seem like a real dumb question, but what does it mean when someone states a horse "ran off"? Is this when the jockey is thrown and the horse bolts around the track all out?
When a horse runs off, it typically means that the horse was out of control (bit between the teeth.) I'm assuming that's what happened in this case... I can't see Chelokee running loose without a rider for that long without being caught, but I could be wrong. ???
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:39 PM
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Chelokee's rein broke and the ride was not able to stop him
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Old 04-22-2007, 09:04 PM
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Might want to add XCHANGER to the list.

I saw his win at Pimlico in the Tesio yesterday and he looked pretty sharp in getting it done. His owners want to go - Shuman, prior to yesterday, felt he was a cut below. The Tesio might have changed his mind, assuming the horse comes back from the race ok. I don't think the effort took anything out of him because he was an easy handride the last 1/8th.

If Ramon is available to ride, I think you'll see him the first Sat in May.
If Xchanger goes in the Derby it will be the owners forcing it and over the objections of Shuman. Here he is Friday with me on ATRAB:

http://www.attheracesandbeyond.com/stream/42007b.mp3

And Dominguez has committed to Pletcher on Sam P.
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Old 04-22-2007, 10:03 PM
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STEVIE!!!!
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Old 04-23-2007, 07:44 AM
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STEVIE!!!!


Steve is busy, so i'll answer about "lol lol lol" I saw him work the other day. looked GREAT on the track. Worked a mile in 1 minute 29 seconds flat in hand with his regular exercise rider G.F. Yokum, Jr. ( nickname GFY ) His coat was dappled, a fine animal indeed. The owners say they will skip the derby and train right up to the Breeder's Cup Classic where he should be installed as the 2:5 ML Favorite ahead of In- va - soooor.
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Old 04-23-2007, 07:48 AM
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Steve is busy, so i'll answer about "lol lol lol" I saw him work the other day. looked GREAT on the track. Worked a mile in 1 minute 29 seconds flat in hand with his regular exercise rider G.F. Yokum, Jr. ( nickname GFY ) His coat was dappled, a fine animal indeed. The owners say they will skip the derby and train right up to the Breeder's Cup Classic where he should be installed as the 2:5 ML Favorite ahead of In- va - soooor.


Oh really?

Well what state and what county was this in?





And I just know you have the name of the sherrif there.
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