'paceQuality' figs: Street Sense (last 4); Bluegrass S. (w/Trakus)

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Agreed.
I think Circular Quay may well have won the Risen Star without the spill.

Beyond winning-
Comparing the pQ and pQ2 figures

Circular Quay would have really had to catch fire and win by open lengths in order for his Risen Star pQ2 velocity to have been faster than his Risen Star pQ1 velocity.

Circular Quay has not had pQ2 > pQ1 in his last 4 races (likely never).
Street Sense has done it twice in the last four.

I would not put great stock in this, (not sure if you are). SS's last race on the polytrack well surely any horse could have produced a better final speed than early speed. Given the way it was run. That doesnt say much.

As to the other race, I'm guessing it was the TB derby, they came home w/ a strong tail wind so that probably explains it.

Like I said, I dont know if you put much stock in this but you've obviously formulated your ratings in order to reflect something like this. It matters to your way of thinking. Could you elaborate then on why you think its important to compare these pQ1 and pQ2s to one another. What do you think is going on?

ALso, left off from last time,where do you come out on Great Hunter do you think he was tiring? thanks

[philcski]

Originally Posted by easy goer

I would not put great stock in this, (not sure if you are). SS's last race on the polytrack well surely any horse could have produced a better final speed than early speed. Given the way it was run. That doesnt say much.

As to the other race, I'm guessing it was the TB derby, they came home w/ a strong tail wind so that probably explains it.

Like I said, I dont know if you put much stock in this but you've obviously formulated your ratings in order to reflect something like this. It matters to your way of thinking. Could you elaborate then on why you think its important to compare these pQ1 and pQ2s to one another. What do you think is going on?

ALso, left off from last time,where do you come out on Great Hunter do you think he was tiring? thanks

It isn't a formulation of a rating, it's simple physics (average velocity = distance covered/time)

The value of comparing a horse's average velocity in the first half of the race to the second gives you a quantitative value on how much they slowed down in the second half of the race (99% of dirt races are run faster in the first half than the second.) Those that slow down less are more apt to stretch out.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by philcski

It isn't a formulation of a rating, it's simple physics (average velocity = distance covered/time)

The value of comparing a horse's average velocity in the first half of the race to the second gives you a quantitative value on how much they slowed down in the second half of the race (99% of dirt races are run faster in the first half than the second.) Those that slow down less are more apt to stretch out.

Exactly.

In simple terms it tells you how much a horse slowed down.

In the Bluegrass several horses actually "came home" the last 3 furlongs faster than they started. That race started very slow and was run on polytrack. In the Breeders Cup Juvenile only one horse- Street Sense, ran a faster pQ2.

These types of comparisons have to be viewed in the context of the race, and may or may not show any worthwhile information.

I will post more Kentucky Derby contenders (Great Hunter, Tiago, Dominican, Any Given Saturday likely next - Also open to posting any Derby Horse that someone may request),

and I will also eventually post a complete list that shows all the figures as well as some extra comparisons and manipulations of the data along side.