Va Tech Campus lockdown

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by GPK

Very somber mood around here. This city lives for Va Tech (have seen polls stating 50% of Roanokes population are Tech alums)...many people walking with that dazed look in their eyes.

Very sad day indeed...

One of the girls they had on was saying she was going back home to Roanoke. How horrible!

[ninetoone]

Condolences to all those involved...RIP....what a sad day

[packerbacker7964]

Sorry to hear the news on this to all involved try and stay strong. Anyway I have a fool proof plan if this ever happens to me. I'd hide and wait for the person to come thru a doorway and hit'em with the CO2 fire extenuisher in the face. 1st off not air to breath because of the co2 & 2nd the element of surprise. I know everything happens so quick sometimes but I think about these things. What to do in times like these. Some will say it's easy to talk about doing something but if 10 of us rush him someone's bound to get to him. Flight 93 comes to mind. I'd be ready to say "let's roll" myself.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by packerbacker7964

Sorry to hear the news on this to all involved try and stay strong. Anyway I have a fool proof plan if this ever happens to me. I'd hide and wait for the person to come thru a doorway and hit'em with the CO2 fire extenuisher in the face. 1st off not air to breath because of the co2 & 2nd the element of surprise. I know everything happens so quick sometimes but I think about these things. What to do in times like these. Some will say it's easy to talk about doing something but if 10 of us rush him someone's bound to get to him. Flight 93 comes to mind. I'd be ready to say "let's roll" myself.

you bring up a good point--it never hurts to have a plan for any eventuality. problem is, a lot of well-laid plans fly out the window when panic sets in.

i understand now that that toll is up to 33. what a horrible, tragic day for everyone. my sympathies to the families and friends of those who were killed.

i guess the bastard gunman figured why not a couple dozen rather than just a couple. sickening.

[GPK]

Just came across the TV here...State of Emergency has been declared from 6:00pm-8:00 tonight...

[Grits]

I'm in Asheville, on the way home from Lexington. After checking in I see that 33 students are dead, and more still in the hospitals.

There is a tremendous problem here with school officials allowing the first shootings to go 2 hours+ unreported to the student body allowing more students to be killed when the murderer moved to another building.

This is so horribly sad for your community Kevin. Please tell your neighbors and friends that the country mourns with them.

Horrible carnage.

[Scav]

As long as GPK is ok, I could care less. unless others have love ones, then I care about them also

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Scav

As long as GPK is ok, I could care less. unless others have love ones, then I care about them also

Im fine, of course. Just worried more about the friends I work with that have loved ones that attend/work at Tech.

As I said..there is also a board member on here with a son that attends the university.

The university president said the dorm shooting was under control....


this guy needs to resign right now. What a moron.

[Scav]

They put a f'n jet pack on Katie Couric's ass, couldn't have gotten their any faster

[golfer]

This is from prisonplanet.com:

Eyewitness Matt Kazee told the Alex Jones Show that it was a full two to three hours after the shootings began that loudspeakers installed around the campus were used to warn students to stay indoors and that a shooter was on the loose.

Quite how the killer was afforded so much time before any action was taken to stop him is baffling, especially considering the fact that the campus, according to Kazee, was crawling with police before the event happened due to numerous bomb threats that had been phoned in last week.

The shootings came three days after a bomb threat Friday forced the cancellation of classes in three buildings, WDBJ in Roanoke reported. Also, the 100,000-square-foot Torgersen Hall was evacuated April 2 after police received a written bomb threat, The Roanoke Times reported.

CNN quoted a student who was outraged at the delay in identifying and stopping the killer.

"What happened today this was ridiculous. And I don't know what happened or what was going through this guy's mind," student Jason Piatt told CNN. "But I'm pretty outraged and I'll say on the record I'm pretty outraged that someone died in a shooting in a dorm at 7 o'clock in the morning and the first e-mail about it — no mention of locking down campus, no mention of canceling classes — they just mention that they're investigating a shooting two hours later at 9:22."

He added: "That's pretty ridiculous and meanwhile, while they're sending out that e-mail, 22 more people got killed."
Initial reports suggested there were two shooters, but the story quickly changed to just one shooter who later killed himself (as happens in almost all these cases) or was shot by police.

Eyewitness accounts describe police hiding behind trees and failing to pursue the killer, while ordering the school to be placed on lockdown so nobody could escape the carnage as the killer picked off his targets with seemingly little interruption from the police.

[docicu3]

First I want to say thank you to the many inquiries concerning my son who is an engineering fourth year student at Virginia Tech. He was unharmed in a building 50 feet from the shootings in Norris.

Ironically as a high school senior Jake, had his senior soccer season ruined by similiar terror during the many weeks in October 2002 that the"DC sniper" was on the loose in Montgomery County Maryland/Northern Virginia area killing 10 in multiple shootings over a three week period. It was common place that fall to have the high school campuses locked down where outdoor activity was forbidden while the insanity of gunmen Malfo and Muhammed eluded police picking off innocent citizens literally down the street from where we live.

How utterly repulsive that these students again will equate their education with malicious violence of previously unknown proportions.

By the grace of God he and his other friends from here have been spared and I am very grateful to all here who were kind enough to inquire

DrD

[GPK]

Originally Posted by docicu3

First I want to say thank you to the many inquiries concerning my son who is an engineering fourth year student at Virginia Tech. He was unharmed in a building 50 feet from the shootings in Norris.

Ironically as a high school senior Jake, had his senior soccer season ruined by similiar terror during the many weeks in October 2002 that the"DC sniper" was on the loose in Montgomery County Maryland/Northern Virginia area killing 10 in multiple shootings over a three week period. It was common place that fall to have the high school campuses locked down where outdoor activity was forbidden while the insanity of gunmen Malfo and Muhammed eluded police picking off innocent citizens literally down the street from where we live.

How utterly repulsive that these students again will equate their education with malicious violence of previously unknown proportions.

By the grace of God he and his other friends from here have been spared and I am very grateful to all here who were kind enough to inquire

DrD

Good deal Doc....glad to hear from you.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by docicu3

First I want to say thank you to the many inquiries concerning my son who is an engineering fourth year student at Virginia Tech. He was unharmed in a building 50 feet from the shootings in Norris.

Ironically as a high school senior Jake, had his senior soccer season ruined by similiar terror during the many weeks in October 2002 that the"DC sniper" was on the loose in Montgomery County Maryland/Northern Virginia area killing 10 in multiple shootings over a three week period. It was common place that fall to have the high school campuses locked down where outdoor activity was forbidden while the insanity of gunmen Malfo and Muhammed eluded police picking off innocent citizens literally down the street from where we live.

How utterly repulsive that these students again will equate their education with malicious violence of previously unknown proportions.

By the grace of God he and his other friends from here have been spared and I am very grateful to all here who were kind enough to inquire

DrD

Doc, that is absolutely wonderful news. absolutely wonderful

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by docicu3

First I want to say thank you to the many inquiries concerning my son who is an engineering fourth year student at Virginia Tech. He was unharmed in a building 50 feet from the shootings in Norris.

Ironically as a high school senior Jake, had his senior soccer season ruined by similiar terror during the many weeks in October 2002 that the"DC sniper" was on the loose in Montgomery County Maryland/Northern Virginia area killing 10 in multiple shootings over a three week period. It was common place that fall to have the high school campuses locked down where outdoor activity was forbidden while the insanity of gunmen Malfo and Muhammed eluded police picking off innocent citizens literally down the street from where we live.

How utterly repulsive that these students again will equate their education with malicious violence of previously unknown proportions.

By the grace of God he and his other friends from here have been spared and I am very grateful to all here who were kind enough to inquire

DrD

I'm glad your son and his friends are OK! This was a horrible event, it is impossible for me to understand the inhumanity that must drive a person to commit such an act. It is a cruel world, American kids die in Iraq and in Virginia...I wish I had answers instead of so many questions.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by docicu3

First I want to say thank you to the many inquiries concerning my son who is an engineering fourth year student at Virginia Tech. He was unharmed in a building 50 feet from the shootings in Norris.

Ironically as a high school senior Jake, had his senior soccer season ruined by similiar terror during the many weeks in October 2002 that the"DC sniper" was on the loose in Montgomery County Maryland/Northern Virginia area killing 10 in multiple shootings over a three week period. It was common place that fall to have the high school campuses locked down where outdoor activity was forbidden while the insanity of gunmen Malfo and Muhammed eluded police picking off innocent citizens literally down the street from where we live.

How utterly repulsive that these students again will equate their education with malicious violence of previously unknown proportions.

By the grace of God he and his other friends from here have been spared and I am very grateful to all here who were kind enough to inquire

DrD

Thank God your son is OK. Thanks for checking in with us...

[ALostTexan]

Originally Posted by docicu3

First I want to say thank you to the many inquiries concerning my son who is an engineering fourth year student at Virginia Tech. He was unharmed in a building 50 feet from the shootings in Norris.

Ironically as a high school senior Jake, had his senior soccer season ruined by similiar terror during the many weeks in October 2002 that the"DC sniper" was on the loose in Montgomery County Maryland/Northern Virginia area killing 10 in multiple shootings over a three week period. It was common place that fall to have the high school campuses locked down where outdoor activity was forbidden while the insanity of gunmen Malfo and Muhammed eluded police picking off innocent citizens literally down the street from where we live.

How utterly repulsive that these students again will equate their education with malicious violence of previously unknown proportions.

By the grace of God he and his other friends from here have been spared and I am very grateful to all here who were kind enough to inquire

DrD

Man, Docoic, I feel for you. In this connected world, nobody can escape an episode like this without someone they know either in person or online being effected. Glad your son is OK...

ALostTexan

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by docicu3

First I want to say thank you to the many inquiries concerning my son who is an engineering fourth year student at Virginia Tech. He was unharmed in a building 50 feet from the shootings in Norris.

Ironically as a high school senior Jake, had his senior soccer season ruined by similiar terror during the many weeks in October 2002 that the"DC sniper" was on the loose in Montgomery County Maryland/Northern Virginia area killing 10 in multiple shootings over a three week period. It was common place that fall to have the high school campuses locked down where outdoor activity was forbidden while the insanity of gunmen Malfo and Muhammed eluded police picking off innocent citizens literally down the street from where we live.

How utterly repulsive that these students again will equate their education with malicious violence of previously unknown proportions.

By the grace of God he and his other friends from here have been spared and I am very grateful to all here who were kind enough to inquire

DrD

oh wow...doci, first i knew that you had a child there. glad to hear he is well.

[phystech]

Originally Posted by Grits

There is a tremendous problem here with school officials allowing the first shootings to go 2 hours+ unreported to the student body allowing more students to be killed when the murderer moved to another building.

I've seen this point mentioned in a couple of previous posts so I'll ask my questions using your above quote Grits just to frame my response:

How do you think VT could have better informed ALL of the VT students of the dorm shooting so that ALL VT students would have been aware of that situation?

I've also seen the term "lockdown" mentioned. How would a campus of over 100 buildings undergo a "lockdown"? Given the first tragic event, and not knowing how it was going to play into any future events, at what point would /should a total "lockdown" of the campus occurred?

Keep in mind that VT has apparently had a number of bomb threats issued recently. In light of those bomb threats, should the campus have been "locked down" and evacuated with each threat?

I work at a major University in the mid-Atlantic so this sad event really hits home for me. I work in just one building which has 4 floors so I am fully aware of how difficult it would be to completely lockdown just this one building, much less all buildings on a large campus. I also can see and understand why what could have been an isolated domestic event ( the original killing in the dorm) was not deemed sufficient reason to lockdown an entire campus. Given the daily occurances on and near my campus, we'd spend 30% of our time in lockdown if we shut our doors with each and every crime that occured nearby.

We have an emergency siren on my campus - it was installed a few years ago when a tornado ripped through a few buildings. Now, this siren is mostly ignored when it goes off. We have card swipe security for doors but these doors are routinely either propped open by students or the students themselves open the doors for those who should not have access to the building. I mention this because I think it is way too early to rush to judgement on the VT campus officials and the timing of their issuing an alert to campus members. Give the facts a chance to come out and I think we'll find that their human side caused them to do the best they felt they could, given the circumstances.