CRIST: Sets the NY facts straight

[docicu3]

Wow what a firecracker you have going here.......even money that ATRAB is about this thread and the Gospel per St Stephen if not today then tomorrow!!!!

I heard Ragozin speak about 2 years ago at a day seminar before the Derby and the one thing that stuck in my head other than sheet theory was how down Len was about the possibility of finding bargains at NY race tracks that would make you money AS A NEWCOMER!!!!

The theory that NY race tracks have become places where the walls are crawling with sharks that suck up all of the "uninformed money" really bothered the hell out of me. I bring this up because it is the kind of thing that adds to the myth that NY racing is on skid row while the other racing in the country is just flooded with gushes of money just waiting to be taken home by anyone who plays. If you hear enough of this malarkey it becomes tougher to discount by the shear volume of propaganda that services no one.

I feel a change in the title page to DT coming from Mr Byk not to mention a bloodhorse editorial to follow.....game on!!!

DrD

[philcski]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Wow what a firecracker you have going here.......even money that ATRAB is about this thread and the Gospel per St Stephen if not today then tomorrow!!!!

I heard Ragozin speak about 2 years ago at a day seminar before the Derby and the one thing that stuck in my head other than sheet theory was how down Len was about the possibility of finding bargains at NY race tracks that would make you money AS A NEWCOMER!!!!

The theory that NY race tracks have become places where the walls are crawling with sharks that suck up all of the "uninformed money" really bothered the hell out of me. I bring this up because it is the kind of thing that adds to the myth that NY racing is on skid row while the other racing in the country is just flooded with gushes of money just waiting to be taken home by anyone who plays. If you hear enough of this malarkey it becomes tougher to discount by the shear volume of propaganda that services no one.

I feel a change in the title page to DT coming from Mr Byk not to mention a bloodhorse editorial to follow.....game on!!!

DrD

He's right... the prices in NY are more efficient than any other circuit. If a horse that's 10-1 ML deserves to be 3-1... he will be at post time. If a P3 should pay $200, it pays $200. It makes winning even more difficult.

That has nothing to do with the state of the NYRA franchise, however.

[Sightseek]

What about working in conjunction with Yankee Trails (or maybe even the train line) like Foxwoods does and start running trips from upstate to Belmont Park and Aqueduct? Keep the tickets fairly low, give a voucher or admission (if that is legal?) and a quick and easy way for upstaters to get to Belmont & Aqueduct. Yankee Trails advertises on TV so they could take advantage of broadcasting about the big racing days that are outside of the Breeder's Cup and Triple Crown events (Beldame, JCGC, Met Mile etc).

I don't know too much about the public transportation system in NYC, but is it easy to get to Belmont Park by it?

[Downthestretch55]

This is an interesting topic.
Please help me focus in on this...
Do you think the politicians will award the franchise based on the best interests of the gamblers or based on which one they guess will generate the most revenues for the NY treasury?

[theiman]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

What about working in conjunction with Yankee Trails (or maybe even the train line) like Foxwoods does and start running trips from upstate to Belmont Park and Aqueduct? Keep the tickets fairly low, give a voucher or admission (if that is legal?) and a quick and easy way for upstaters to get to Belmont & Aqueduct. Yankee Trails advertises on TV so they could take advantage of broadcasting about the big racing days that are outside of the Breeder's Cup and Triple Crown events (Beldame, JCGC, Met Mile etc).

I don't know too much about the public transportation system in NYC, but is it easy to get to Belmont Park by it?

The Long Island Railroad (LIRR) has trains that leave Manhattan, stop in Queens and go directly to the gate at Belmont Park. The trip is about 40-45 minutes. Trains return from about the 7th race to about 1/2 hour after the last race. It is the best way to get to Belmont on Belmont Day. Other days driving isnt bad as the lot has plenty of room.

The "A" subway line goes to The Big A. The trip is longer from Manhattan as the train makes many stops but the fare is $2.00.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by theiman

The Long Island Railroad (LIRR) has trains that leave Manhattan, stop in Queens and go directly to the gate at Belmont Park. The trip is about 40-45 minutes. Trains return from about the 7th race to about 1/2 hour after the last race. It is the best way to get to Belmont on Belmont Day. Other days driving isnt bad as the lot has plenty of room.

The "A" subway line goes to The Big A. The trip is longer from Manhattan as the train makes many stops but the fare is $2.00.

The problem is to get from upstate you either have to drive down through the Bronx and LI (a major hindrance for some people) or drive to Poughkeepsie, take the metro north train down, and then switch to the LIRR to get the Belmont. Sure seems like a bus could simplify things. The track should subsidize it with betting vouchers to keep costs reasonable which is what I assume the casinos do to have all the crazy cheap bus trips to casinos.