Beyer Fig from Saturday

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cardus

What do you think would be the wagering impact if Thorograph, Ragozin, and/or Brisnet Speed/Pace Figures had more favorable impressions of Street Sense's Blue Grass run?

I think very little. Maybe half a point. The Derby takes more "novice" money (i.e. people who bet on races casually and only/mainly use BSFs) than any other race of the year, so I don't think all of the players that use the figures you listed above will have that much of an impact.

[Antitrust32]

93 or not, I remember Street Sense last year off the poly onto Churchill...
I think that is where my money goes..

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

93 or not, I remember Street Sense last year off the poly onto Churchill...
I think that is where my money goes..

But like J said, is the novice money going to be able to detect the potential turnaround on that pattern angle?

Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled, I just don't see him as your favorite anymore. Wouldn't be shocked if Nobiz gets bet down more than he does too.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

But like J said, is the novice money going to be able to detect the potential turnaround on that pattern angle?

Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled, I just don't see him as your favorite anymore. Wouldn't be shocked if Nobiz gets bet down more than he does too.

i really hope he is not the favorite!! I am just saying that is where my money goes! I'll have to find a few other horses to play some exotics, but I have plenty of time for that!

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cardus

There is no way to quantify this, but my impression is that novice bettors' money comprises a small percentage of the Kentucky Derby mutuel wagers. The whales in the game use these sheets and figures.

The novice bettors -- people who wager only a few times each year, or only on each Triple Crown race -- wager $10 or $20 on their selections, while the whales are putting up thousands of dollars on the race.

I don't know. There are a lot of "big shots" who come out on Derby day and bet hundreds of dollars at a time without more than a passing knowledge of racing.

[Grits]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I don't know. There are a lot of "big shots" who come out on Derby day and bet hundreds of dollars at a time without more than a passing knowledge of racing.

I agree with Ateam about this. On Derby Day, there are far more "big shots" with deep pockets betting equal thousands to match anything the whales are churning.

Michael Jordan, Kid Rock, and every other celebrity, sports superstar, politician, and CEO at Churchill and throughout the country, going to the windows, is not saying . . . "give me $20 to win on the 9 horse."

Many are betting hundreds, and thousands.

Originally Posted by Grits

I agree with Ateam about this. On Derby Day, there are far more "big shots" with deep pockets betting equal thousands to match anything the whales are churning.

Michael Jordan, Kid Rock, and every other celebrity, sports superstar, politician, and CEO at Churchill and throughout the country, going to the windows, is not saying . . . "give me $20 to win on the 9 horse."

Many are betting hundreds, and thousands.

well if they've already locked onto the 9 horse there go the odds on the winner