Teammate in Mother Goose

Originally Posted by oracle80

Agree with everything you said, including Joint Effort.
Tim what the public thought a horse would do has no place in a discussion about how a horse ran. And I think that where it makes no sense is when you will say that so and so is a rat after losing at short odds narrowly and that so and so ran huge in the same type of effort because of the odds. Would Barbaro's Derby have been more impressive if he was 20-1 or less impressive if he was 3-5? I think that a race is a race, and the odds have nothing to do with it whatsoever.

You know Oracle--it cracks me up when I watch people handicap a race by first looking at the m'l odds or what the current odds are. Now, current odds are important to me in a race where there are some first time starters. But I usually handicap a race out of the DRF. Then I give the horses my own odds. Most of the time, I could care less what the betting public thinks.

[Gander]

For the 9th team I said I didnt like Teammate 2 days before the Acorn without any knowledge or any guess what the odds may have been. Someone piss in your cheerios this morning?

If she was 10/1 I still wouldnt have played her. For the record I got burnt when Hello Libert lost the close finish but I did use Bushfire in the picks.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

You know Oracle--it cracks me up when I watch people handicap a race by first looking at the m'l odds or what the current odds are. Now, current odds are important to me in a race where there are some first time starters. But I usually handicap a race out of the DRF. Then I give the horses my own odds. Most of the time, I could care less what the betting public thinks.

That's so interesting Eurobounce- in my handicapping learning curve, I've discovered I also can't look at the odds or I start to get influenced. I actually prefer to download the PPs and not even buy the DRF in paper because I can get affected by what the experts think. Odds should affect only whether I bet the race or not, not who I think will win it.

And it sucks having no time to handicap the G1 contest on the other board... I'm getting smacked upside and down over there... ah well, life intervenes sometimes.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

That's so interesting Eurobounce- in my handicapping learning curve, I've discovered I also can't look at the odds or I start to get influenced. I actually prefer to download the PPs and not even buy the DRF in paper because I can get affected by what the experts think. Odds should affect only whether I bet the race or not, not who I think will win it.

And it sucks having no time to handicap the G1 contest on the other board... I'm getting smacked upside and down over there... ah well, life intervenes sometimes.

i do the same thing, go over the pps and make my choices...and then the tote board tells me if i play or not. or what to play. i also consider how often the fave wins (around 30%) and base some daily doubles and pick threes on which faves absolutely will win. hit the early daily at oaklawn last time i went because the first race had a huge fave that would NOT lose, and then an obvious (to me) winner in the second.
funny the things you find tho, that others don't. had a horse further down in the card who had the fastest time at the distance to be run out of the entire field. had been ignored and was 12-1. put him in the exacta with arch hall, first or second in his other races. AH ran second to my 'find', SWEET.

[blackthroatedwind]

Bushfire probably won't run until the Gazelle.

Pine Island will probably win the CCA Oaks and Alabama.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Bushfire probably won't run until the Gazelle.

Pine Island will probably win the CCA Oaks and Alabama.

She is being pointed towards the Alabama. Could wrap of 3yr old filly of the year with that win.

[blackthroatedwind]

Once again, they are considering the Alabama but may not run again until the Gazelle.

Hey, I don't know why they would pass a big payday like that, but she has been running all year and 1 1/4 could be a problem.