Blue Grass field

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Scav

I don't think Time Squared is a throw out here, he won that last race pretty easily IMO, Frenchie had the horse in hand the whole time....

he had him in hand? he won by a length in 1:45.6 against maidens.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

none of the times on poly route races have been very fast.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

none of the times on poly route races have been very fast.

Really? On the very same day as Timed Squareds race, later in the card was an allowance race for older horses that was run at the same 1 1/16 distance.
Here are the fractions for both races.

Current track record at the distance 1:41.6

25.53 50.35 1:15 1:39.69 1:45.68 Time Squared
24.66 47.88 1:11.8 1:35.91 1:41.94 Rathor


The allowance horses were almost four seconds faster.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Really? On the very same day as Timed Squareds race, later in the card was an allowance race for older horses that was run at the same 1 1/16 distance.
Here are the fractions for both races.

Current track record at the distance 1:41.6

25.53 50.35 1:15 1:39.69 1:45.68 Time Squared
24.66 47.88 1:11.8 1:35.91 1:41.94 Rathor


The allowance horses were almost four seconds faster.

Oh Jim, you and your facts. Can't a guy just believe that Time Squared will probably destroy Great Hunter and Street Sense without getting distracted by the fact that he is a slow animal and they are not?

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Really? On the very same day as Timed Squareds race, later in the card was an allowance race for older horses that was run at the same 1 1/16 distance.
Here are the fractions for both races.

Current track record at the distance 1:41.6

25.53 50.35 1:15 1:39.69 1:45.68 Time Squared
24.66 47.88 1:11.8 1:35.91 1:41.94 Rathor


The allowance horses were almost four seconds faster.

Pace makes the race. Time Squared closed into a glacial pace, which is pretty hard to do most of the time. He was dead last at the quarter while they were poking along ahead of him, still 9th at the 3/4 mark. Closed with a rush to just get up in the last couple of strides. The comments, by the way, say "hopped start, 8 wide lane, driving."

Notice that the time from the 3/4 mark to the finish in each race is comparable - 30.68 sec vs. 30.14 sec. And Time Squared was still a long way back at the 3/4, while Rathor was right up near the lead.

All that said, I still like Great Hunter best.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Pace makes the race. Time Squared closed into a glacial pace, which is pretty hard to do most of the time. He was dead last at the quarter while they were poking along ahead of him, still 9th at the 3/4 mark. Closed with a rush to just get up in the last couple of strides. The comments, by the way, say "hopped start, 8 wide lane, driving."

Notice that the time from the 3/4 mark to the finish in each race is comparable - 30.68 sec vs. 30.14 sec. And Time Squared was still a long way back at the 3/4, while Rathor was right up near the lead.

So what is your conclusion? That Time Squared could have run a race comparable to Rathor's if he just would have had the pace to run into?
I don't care what the pace is you're not going to move the final time up four seconds.

Its impressive to close into a slow pace and end up with a reasonably fast overall time. But if you close into a slow pace and its won in a slow time its just a slow race.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

So what is your conclusion? That Time Squared could have run a race comparable to Rathor's if he just would have had the pace to run into?
I don't care what the pace is you're not going to move the final time up four seconds.

Its impressive to close into a slow pace and end up with a reasonably fast overall time. But if you close into a slow pace and its won in a slow time its just a slow race.

Not necessarily, horses can go out awfully slow and still be impressive if they finish strongly. Saving time on the front end does not translate into an equally fast finish.

A good example: The 1978 Belmont Stakes.

How many lengths did this horse make up in the final 2 1/2 furloughs??

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by easy goer

Not necessarily, horses can go out awfully slow and still be impressive if they finish strongly. Saving time on the front end does not translate into an equally fast finish.

A good example: The 1978 Belmont Stakes.

How many lengths did this horse make up in the final 2 1/2 furloughs??

Horses can go out slow and finish strongly and look impressive, yes. But how impressive they look depends in large part on who they are running against.

We were talking specifically about Time Squared and how his 8.5 furlong winning time was the slowest of three run at the distance last friday. Not only did the allowance horses run nearly four seconds faster, another group of maidens ran about 1.5 seconds faster.

However everyone seems most excited about Time Squared's race because he closed ground. I just feel that this horse will have no solution when facing horses that have proven that they can run fast early, middle, and late.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by easy goer

Not necessarily, horses can go out awfully slow and still be impressive if they finish strongly. Saving time on the front end does not translate into an equally fast finish.

A good example: The 1978 Belmont Stakes.

How many lengths did this horse make up in the final 2 1/2 furloughs??

DONT BOTHER HE IS ALWAYS CORRECT....ALWAYS

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

So what is your conclusion? .

My conclusion is that Time Squared won a slow race; I don't have enough data to tell whether he is a slow horse, especially the way the race was run.

Once the ones in front had gone 6f in 1:15, there was no way that TS could have recorded a fast time for the race - he would have had to run 2.5f in 26seconds or so to match Rathor's time (27 seconds if he had been on the lead, which he wasn't by any means).

Yeah, I would like to know more about the race before writing this horse off. Someone said he ran green in the lane.Did anyone see the race? Looks like he can close...Besides you dont have to find a winner, only a horse that can hit the board that no one else knows about.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

he had him in hand? he won by a length in 1:45.6 against maidens.

1) Gotta pay him back for the 2k hit that day
2) He really didn't use him until the last 1 furlong IMO, he just looped them and then let him go
3) Time only matters in jail

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Scav

1) Gotta pay him back for the 2k hit that day
2) He really didn't use him until the last 1 furlong IMO, he just looped them and then let him go
3) Time only matters in jail

My uncle always said that. Well his quote was "Time only matters when you're doing it"

Do you think that since Any Given Saturday came back from the Tampa Derby to run bad that Street Sense could throw in a clunker? I don't mean run 2nd. I mean run out of the Tri.

I have to say that Street Sense has always been my horse. He will be running on the turn and by the time the camera switches angles for the home stretch, he's jumped to the lead.

Does anyone have his works since the Tampa Bay Derby?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

My uncle always said that. Well his quote was "Time only matters when you're doing it"

Do you think that since Any Given Saturday came back from the Tampa Derby to run bad that Street Sense could throw in a clunker? I don't mean run 2nd. I mean run out of the Tri.

I have to say that Street Sense has always been my horse. He will be running on the turn and by the time the camera switches angles for the home stretch, he's jumped to the lead.

Does anyone have his works since the Tampa Bay Derby?

I think Street Sense is far less likely to "throw in a clunker" here than AGS last week.
AGS was originally pointed to this race (which was 4 weeks after his last) and then switched to a race 3 weeks out at the last minute.
Street Sense will have another week off and presumably will have had a more appropriate training schedule because he has been pointing to this race all along. There is also the small fact that I think SS is simply a better horse than AGS.
That being said....I still like Great Hunter.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

My uncle always said that. Well his quote was "Time only matters when you're doing it"

Do you think that since Any Given Saturday came back from the Tampa Derby to run bad that Street Sense could throw in a clunker? I don't mean run 2nd. I mean run out of the Tri.

I have to say that Street Sense has always been my horse. He will be running on the turn and by the time the camera switches angles for the home stretch, he's jumped to the lead.

Does anyone have his works since the Tampa Bay Derby?

If you want to watch his work from April 5th, you can go to the below link:

http://ww2.keeneland.com/racing/list...x?cat=Workouts

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

If you want to watch his work from April 5th, you can go to the below link:

http://ww2.keeneland.com/racing/list...x?cat=Workouts

Nice! I hadn't seen that feature yet of their website, thanks so much.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Nice! I hadn't seen that feature yet of their website, thanks so much.

I thought Teuflesberg looked the best in his work, but I think he might be in over his head at this distance. I can see him being a serious sprinter.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I thought Teuflesberg looked the best in his work, but I think he might be in over his head at this distance. I can see him being a serious sprinter.

he does have a beautiful reach to his stride when asked. Deadly Dealer looked like he was going to explode if they didn't allow him to run.

[saucon17]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I thought Teuflesberg looked the best in his work, but I think he might be in over his head at this distance. I can see him being a serious sprinter.

Agree, I think he will a great a 6f to 7f horse and possibly
a one turn mile horse.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

If you want to watch his work from April 5th, you can go to the below link:

http://ww2.keeneland.com/racing/list...x?cat=Workouts

Wow. You wanna see a racehorse in a perfect workout, turn on Street Sense and watch him explode when the rider gives the cue. Didn't even seem to work hard and he went :58.2!!!

I'm actually rooting against him in the Blue Grass so I get a better price on Derby Day.