Masters Week 2007

Originally Posted by GPK

so much easier said than done Timm.

The tour is full of 1 and 2 time "FLUKE" major winners.

I looked back at the list of past Masters (just this major) winners and the only flukes I see are Larry Mize and Sandy Lyle (sorry to offend if these players are considered deserving). Everyone else on the list had or has had very good careers in my estimation. I hope it continues with this young man as he seems very deserving from a personal point of view. I wont put a view out on Weir because he is still in service. This seems like a hell of a good group. Better than the other majors I would venture.

2007 - Zach Johnson
2006 - Phil Mickelson
2005 - Tiger Woods
2004 - Phil Mickelson
2003 - Mike Weir
2002 - Tiger Woods
2001 - Tiger Woods
2000 - Vijay Singh
1999 - Jose Maria Olazabal
1998 - Mark O'Meara
1997 - Tiger Woods
1996 - Nick Faldo
1995 - Ben Crenshaw
1994 - Jose Maria Olazabal
1993 - Bernhard Langer
1992 - Fred Couples
1991 - Ian Woosnam
1990 - Nick Faldo
1989 - Nick Faldo
1988 - Sandy Lyle
1987 - Larry Mize
1986 - Jack Nicklaus
1985 - Bernhard Langer
1984 - Ben Crenshaw
1983 - Seve Ballesteros
1982 - Craig Stadler
1981 - Tom Watson
1980 - Seve Ballesteros
1979 - Fuzzy Zoeller
1978 - Gary Player
1977 - Tom Watson
1976 - Ray Floyd
1975 - Jack Nicklaus
1974 - Gary Player

[Crown@club]

Larry Mize - yes - nice for the local boy. Probably did it in for Norman.

Lyle - NO!

[GPK]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I looked back at the list of past Masters (just this major) winners and the only flukes I see are Larry Mize and Sandy Lyle (sorry to offend if these players are considered deserving). Everyone else on the list had or has had very good careers in my estimation. I hope it continues with this young man as he seems very deserving from a personal point of view. I wont put a view out on Weir because he is still in service. This seems like a hell of a good group. Better than the other majors I would venture.

2007 - Zach Johnson
2006 - Phil Mickelson
2005 - Tiger Woods
2004 - Phil Mickelson
2003 - Mike Weir
2002 - Tiger Woods
2001 - Tiger Woods
2000 - Vijay Singh
1999 - Jose Maria Olazabal
1998 - Mark O'Meara
1997 - Tiger Woods
1996 - Nick Faldo
1995 - Ben Crenshaw
1994 - Jose Maria Olazabal
1993 - Bernhard Langer
1992 - Fred Couples
1991 - Ian Woosnam
1990 - Nick Faldo
1989 - Nick Faldo
1988 - Sandy Lyle
1987 - Larry Mize
1986 - Jack Nicklaus
1985 - Bernhard Langer
1984 - Ben Crenshaw
1983 - Seve Ballesteros
1982 - Craig Stadler
1981 - Tom Watson
1980 - Seve Ballesteros
1979 - Fuzzy Zoeller
1978 - Gary Player
1977 - Tom Watson
1976 - Ray Floyd
1975 - Jack Nicklaus
1974 - Gary Player

Pat....very few "fluke" winners at Augusta. IMO...Sandy Lyle's win was far from a fluke. He was one of the best players in the world in the mid-late 80's. I really hope that Zachs win turns out NOT to be a fluke....but only he can control that. I sincerely hope he uses this as a stepping stone to a very promising career.

[golfer]

Crenshaw's 1995 win was flukish, he had a little help from above (Harvey Penick).

On another note, did you happen to catch, on one of Tiger's tee shots, some dope screamed out "You da Man", and one of the announcers responded "We Don't Do That Here!" Nothing like the forced reverence of the Masters.

[pmayjr]

You never know which way Zach Johnson will go from here...

Minnesotans have seen a fluke major winner first-hand when Rich Beem won the PGA Championship at Hazeltene. At the time though, it seemed like he was on his way to stringing together a lot of wins for years to come. It actually turns out that he hit a brick wall (probably bought into his own hype after that...which Johnson needs to be careful of). Going into the PGA, he was playing really well. He had won a tourney and had another Top-5 going into it, or maybe it was even 2 tour wins going into it. And he capped that hot streak with a major win... and disappeared afterwards.

So hopefully Zack Johnson will have a better run than Rich Beem, Ben Crane, David Duval (yes... David Duval), Shaun Micheel, Paul Lawrie, etc etc etc

Originally Posted by GPK

Pat....very few "fluke" winners at Augusta. IMO...Sandy Lyle's win was far from a fluke. He was one of the best players in the world in the mid-late 80's. I really hope that Zachs win turns out NOT to be a fluke....but only he can control that. I sincerely hope he uses this as a stepping stone to a very promising career.

None of the guys on the list may be a fluke, but looking back at their careers I would put Lyle below the rest of the Euros. Maybe I did not watch enough international tournaments. What foreign player on that list would you put below Lyle career wise? What US player would you put below Lyle career wise? Stadler?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by pgardn

None of the guys on the list may be a fluke, but looking back at their careers I would put Lyle below the rest of the Euros. Maybe I did not watch enough international tournaments. What foreign player on that list would you put below Lyle career wise? What US player would you put below Lyle career wise? Stadler?

Stadler....Mize...Fuzzy to name 3.

[golfer]

Kev, this has been bothering me for a long time, when Fuzzy made his infamous remarks regarding Tiger, I noticed he had a drink in his hand, and it probably wasn't a diet Coke... No one has ever mentioned the possibility that he was "impaired" when he made those statements..

[GPK]

Originally Posted by golfer

Kev, this has been bothering me for a long time, when Fuzzy made his infamous remarks regarding Tiger, I noticed he had a drink in his hand, and it probably wasn't a diet Coke... No one has ever mentioned the possibility that he was "impaired" when he made those statements..

Fuzzy never met a highball he didn't like...

[golfer]

Here's another thing that bothers me, and is the reason why I end up taking a nap most of the time when watching golf on TV, is there anything less interesting than watching someone prepare to putt (reading the green, etc...). I love golf as much as anyone, but this I can't take.