No Wood for Circular Quay

[blackthroatedwind]

People really need to get it out of their heads that good races somehow aren't good for any horse's future efforts. This is the kind of baloney that is ruining the game at the top level.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

People really need to get it out of their heads that good races somehow aren't good for any horse's future efforts. This is the kind of baloney that is ruining the game at the top level.

and the soga continues, trainers putting horses in races, without a chance to win.

Great, another training lesson on race training.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

People really need to get it out of their heads that good races somehow aren't good for any horse's future efforts. This is the kind of baloney that is ruining the game at the top level.

I dont know about that Andy. Look how bad Secretariat ran after those too taxing efforts in the Derby and Preakness!

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont know about that Andy. Look how bad Secretariat ran after those too taxing efforts in the Derby and Preakness!

Cannon, are you a "Sheets" follower?
Personally I think most of their "theories" are a bunch of mularkey but the only other explanation I can come up with is CQ ran a big Sheet number in the La Derby and they're trying to avoid a "bounce". Makes no sense to me, however.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by philcski

Cannon, are you a "Sheets" follower?
Personally I think most of their "theories" are a bunch of mularkey but the only other explanation I can come up with is CQ ran a big Sheet number in the La Derby and they're trying to avoid a "bounce". Makes no sense to me, however.

Yeah, but if that's the case, why not run him now and get it out of the way? Like you said before, who cares where he finishes in a race like the Wood or Blue Grass.. TP and Tabor shouldn't.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by philcski

Cannon, are you a "Sheets" follower?
Personally I think most of their "theories" are a bunch of mularkey but the only other explanation I can come up with is CQ ran a big Sheet number in the La Derby and they're trying to avoid a "bounce". Makes no sense to me, however.

I look at TG's. A lot of what they do is great but they are not without flaw. I believe that too many guys are using them as an excuse not to run. I remember that Smarty Jones was a big sheets play against in the Derby because he was a likely bounce. If I remember right he "bounced" that day but was still an easy winner. Good horses can sustain consistent good efforts over a long period of time. But no one seemingly want to run anymore. And I blame a lot of this squarely on the owners and breeders. There was a time not so long ago that a horse that was percieved to be fragile or a bleeder would meet a cool reception at stud until he proved he could produce. It is almost not a factor what a horse accomplishes anymore except to win a graded stakes on the dirt, preferably at a mile or shorter.

[zippyneedsawin]

I read somewhere else that they're having trouble keeping weight on CQ.. a sign that something may be wrong with him.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

I read somewhere else that they're having trouble keeping weight on CQ.. a sign that something may be wrong with him.

Could be ulcers.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I look at TG's. A lot of what they do is great but they are not without flaw. I believe that too many guys are using them as an excuse not to run. I remember that Smarty Jones was a big sheets play against in the Derby because he was a likely bounce. If I remember right he "bounced" that day but was still an easy winner. Good horses can sustain consistent good efforts over a long period of time. But no one seemingly want to run anymore. And I blame a lot of this squarely on the owners and breeders. There was a time not so long ago that a horse that was percieved to be fragile or a bleeder would meet a cool reception at stud until he proved he could produce. It is almost not a factor what a horse accomplishes anymore except to win a graded stakes on the dirt, preferably at a mile or shorter.

Good stuff, Chuck. I completely agree with this statement.

Figures wise I think TG does a really good job. I just can't read the damned things for long periods of time, it's like watching the chicklet screen at Keeneland...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by philcski

Good stuff, Chuck. I completely agree with this statement.

Figures wise I think TG does a really good job. I just can't read the damned things for long periods of time, it's like watching the chicklet screen at Keeneland...

It seems like they are trying harder than the other guys. Maybe I'm crazy but that's what it seems like to me.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont know about that Andy. Look how bad Secretariat ran after those too taxing efforts in the Derby and Preakness!

Honestly, let me ask you a question.....if you get a horse that you know is a genuinely good horse isn't the one thing you say to yourself " God, I hope I don't screw this one up "? Not in any way to denigrade your profession but do you really consider it rocket science?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Honestly, let me ask you a question.....if you get a horse that you know is a genuinely good horse isn't the one thing you say to yourself " God, I hope I don't screw this one up "? Not in any way to denigrade your profession but do you really consider it rocket science?

Absolutely. I had a good 2 yo last year that I thought could run. I wanted to get him a couple races under his belt so I ran him once at TP and the other time at Kee on the Poly. He did not really seem to love the poly but got some good experience. I brought him to CD and worked him 6 f's. He worked as good as a horse could work. Not a huge time but a rare perfect work. He got a little shin sore afterwards so I said to myself,"God I dont want to screw this one up" so we backed off of him. The owner decided to send him to FL and he won at GP with a 90 Beyer. Not rocket science but common sense. The trick is understanding when you have common sense and when you are just being too conservative.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

People really need to get it out of their heads that good races somehow aren't good for any horse's future efforts. This is the kind of baloney that is ruining the game at the top level.

I agree, and I think Any Given Saturday needs to win this race to be a factor in the Derby. A hard fought victory is just what this horse needs.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

People really need to get it out of their heads that good races somehow aren't good for any horse's future efforts. This is the kind of baloney that is ruining the game at the top level.

Jaysus Andy, ya finally said something I can defend! GOOD RACES MEAN A HORSE IS GOOD.
As Woody Stephens once said, "Run e'm when they're fit."