Kidnapped British Soldiers

[sham]

Originally Posted by pgardn

What about if this were American Sailors from our Navy? Holy Schnikies...

That's a very funny tagline. Believe it or not, I once hit a 200yd sand wedge. Unfortunately, I was playing a blast shot out of a greenside bunker when I hit it.

[jman5581]

Originally Posted by sham

That's a very funny tagline. Believe it or not, I once hit a 200yd sand wedge. Unfortunately, I was playing a blast shot out of a greenside bunker when I hit it.

I was going to say you were playing down a mountainside...

[skippy3481]

I cannot imagine if they were U.S naval members, there would be b-52's circling with warheads of mass destruction. I understand its a power play for Iran, but i cannot believe that the british government is going to let iran dictate terms. I very seldom advocate violence as a solution to anything, but its time for the Brits to say, " Give our naval members back today, or we will be there tommorrow to take them by force"

[Danzig]

it is infuriating to me that iran has done something illegal, and then has the colossal nads to try to dictate terms!!! they want britain to admit fault?! FOR WHAT?! the only one who has done anything in the wrong is iran. what nerve...

[FlBred]

I just do not get it.....Why do countries like Britian and the US continue to D@#$ around with countries like Iran, Iraq, Syria, NKorea, etc? We can sit in the mediterannean or Persian Gulf on huge air craft carriers and destroyers and pelt them with missles while our B-52's cirlce thousands of feet above out of RADAR reach and drop MOADS.....we could level the place in hours with out dropping the first man, why risk our men by putting men on the ground as we did in IRAQ. We could wipe these places off the map within hours, they are useless anyway (besides the oil). If we are not going to do that then lets pull out and let them blow each other up, they have been fighting in the Mid East for thousands of years do they really think we are going to change that? An enormous waste of our people and $$$$. It is ridiculous that we keep letting these little camel jockeys dictate what we are going to do! And as far as innocent people, who cares? They do not play by the rules, they got 12 yr old kids and grandmothers shooting our men in the back or walking up to a roadblock and blowing themselves to pieces, we have no clue who the enemy is, we are the only ones who play by the rules (sometimes) and we pay the biggest price....not to mention they do not want us there or our assistance....ok i am off of my soap box!!

[skippy3481]

Slow down a little FI, we need to keep the racial slurs out of this. What irrates me the most danzig is the fact that they showed that video. That was completely uncalled for. The only reason they filmed it was to snub their nose at the british government and proclaim that they are incapable of stopping them. It's absolutely asinine that the british government would allow a foreign power to hold soldiers that were kidnapped in Iraqi waters. This sets a horrible precedent on future occasions when Iran wants something. They will realize that other countries will back down or put up some b.s. "economic sanctions".

Iran is like a child, one that likes to test the waters to see how much he can get away with. If we let him, its going to be harder and harder to say no as time goes on. Time to smack their wrist and let them know that this type of behavior will not be tolerated at any time.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

Slow down a little FI, we need to keep the racial slurs out of this. What irrates me the most danzig is the fact that they showed that video. That was completely uncalled for. The only reason they filmed it was to snub their nose at the british government and proclaim that they are incapable of stopping them. It's absolutely asinine that the british government would allow a foreign power to hold soldiers that were kidnapped in Iraqi waters. This sets a horrible precedent on future occasions when Iran wants something. They will realize that other countries will back down or put up some b.s. "economic sanctions".

Iran is like a child, one that likes to test the waters to see how much he can get away with. If we let him, its going to be harder and harder to say no as time goes on. Time to smack their wrist and let them know that this type of behavior will not be tolerated at any time.

that incident has ticked me off more than any of the rest-esp that they singled out the woman of the bunch, and she was forced to sit and speak so kindly of her captors--in a nutshell, that is what they are. it's outrageous!

truly, the worst part is knowing that this group was taken so easily, no fight back, not a shot fired. the commanding officer should be removed from his post. whoever makes their policy really and truly needs to re-think their rules of engagement!!

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it is infuriating to me that iran has done something illegal, and then has the colossal nads to try to dictate terms!!! they want britain to admit fault?! FOR WHAT?! the only one who has done anything in the wrong is iran. what nerve...

Danzig,
I'm no fan of Iran...but regarding doing something illegal and trying to dictate terms...read this. You might be surprised who taught them.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/040107.html

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Danzig,
I'm no fan of Iran...but regarding doing something illegal and trying to dictate terms...read this. You might be surprised who taught them.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/040107.html

Send that to the Iraqi and American families who have loved ones blown to bits by devices planted in the middle of markets selling vegetables in Iraq. The same devices that have Iranian signatures all over them. They will enjoy the comparison I am sure.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Send that to the Iraqi and American families who have loved ones blown to bits by devices planted in the middle of markets selling vegetables in Iraq. The same devices that have Iranian signatures all over them. They will enjoy the comparison I am sure.

Pgardn,
Many Iraqis have been killed by the US also.
Anyway, it looks like this situation is heating up.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

[Danzig]

and now it looks as tho they will be home on thursday, excellent news!

[timmgirvan]

"All's well that ends well"!

[Rileyoriley]

Very happy about that as my daughter is heading to England in 2 weeks for her school vacation!

Well the world showed them. Iran certainly wont do anything outrageous again after the strong rebuke and all the sanctions coming down. And he was shaking the "guests" hands as they left, wishing them well... what a crock o' crud.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Well the world showed them. Iran certainly wont do anything outrageous again after the strong rebuke and all the sanctions coming down. And he was shaking the "guests" hands as they left, wishing them well... what a crock o' crud.

better them than me. god, what a freaking ....argh...i can't think of a good word. must be bedtime.

[sham]

I find it very alarming how fast the British sailors caved in this situation. Apparently they were captured without firing a shot in self defense, and then were on TV the next day giving a briefing apologizing for their shameful transgressions against poor Iran. I guess soldiering has changed since the days that I served in uniform. We were trained to give name, rank and serial number and that's all. Those of you that have served know what I'm talking about.

[SentToStud]

I rhink the Iranians come out way on top here. They could not care less about what the US or Britain think. They only care about how they're portrayed in Damascus, Amman, Beirut, Riyadh, Baghdad and TelAviv.

People in the U.S. don't really have a sense of history. The Iranians for years were seen by Britain as only a strategic area they sought to colonize for the sole purpose of serving as a midpoint and military base to protect the Empire's crown jewel -- India.

I don't care for Iranian politics but when I read comments made by Americans that the world will be better off when Tehran is blown to bits, I'm really disappointed. The media and population of the U.S. just has no sense of the history of the region, which is tremendously important in Arab culture.

It's simply unbelieveable that the American people believe instantly and fully that certain cultures/nations are pure enemies to be dealt with militarily simply because politicians say it's so.

Americans react to world news sort of the same way a cat jumps at the wall when you shine a flashlight on it. Move a light to another spot on the wall and the cat will jump there next.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I don't care for Iranian politics but when I read comments made by Americans that the world will be better off when Tehran is blown to bits, I'm really disappointed. The media and population of the U.S. just has no sense of the history of the region, which is tremendously important in Arab culture.

Iran is a Persian country, not Arab. They will tell you there is a huge difference. This is a shaky regime. Iran has a whole bunch more in common with the West than many of the Arab countries. This is a country that could move away from a fanatical Islamic power base very quickly. Lots of the young intelligensia dont buy into many of the governments institutions. We would be stupid to try anything militarily with things so likely to swing on their own given the demographic dynamics of this country.

The dialogue with economic pressure is the best way. It is also in our interest to exchange students on a large scale like we used to with them. Especially those interested in politics. A lot of new ideas and ways of thinking used to be infused through student exchanges. This is part of the reason that they do have a significant portion of their population that has a pro-Western attitude... Democracy, rule of law, individual rights, etc...