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Old 03-27-2007, 11:39 AM
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The Wood is free money for any of these that can really run. There isn't anybody top flight pointing for it.
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Old 03-27-2007, 11:40 AM
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The Wood is free money for any of these that can really run. There isn't anybody top flight pointing for it.
Nobiz?
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Old 03-27-2007, 11:41 AM
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yeah plus doesnt Shug have a derby hopeful
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Old 03-27-2007, 12:01 PM
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Nobiz?
Is Nobiz going to the Wood? Good.
I thought Blue Grass. But I guess that would make sense with Tagg, and he's proven over the Aqu strip.
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Old 03-27-2007, 11:42 AM
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The Wood is free money for any of these that can really run. There isn't anybody top flight pointing for it.

Only the derby winner will be there.
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Old 03-27-2007, 11:50 AM
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Only the derby winner will be there.
Scat Daddy is running in the Florida Derby, not the Wood.
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Old 03-27-2007, 11:56 AM
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Hard to say that NoBiz is not top flight. The Arkansas Derby is for $1M and it seems to me that out of the FD, BG, Wood and AD the AD presents the least competition. I can understand Hard Spun not going that route, but not sure why AGS would want to face SS again when there is an easier race on the same day. Maybe it is that he is a known on that surface. I thought that CQ was going to the Wood, but I have not checked lately. If that is the case, that explains why Pletcher would not take AGS to the AD.
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Old 03-27-2007, 12:05 PM
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I agree about AGS needing earning but remember, he'll be one of the top 2 choices in the Blue Grass, with a %750k purse. If he's one of the choices, why should he duck the spot and go elsewhere?
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Old 03-27-2007, 01:13 PM
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I agree about AGS needing earning but remember, he'll be one of the top 2 choices in the Blue Grass, with a %750k purse. If he's one of the choices, why should he duck the spot and go elsewhere?
Since AGS is on the fringe of earnings my point was that he is sure to get in with a 1st or 2nd at either the BG or AD, the difference being his chances are better in the AD since it seems to be coming up a bit light as opposed to facing a better field in the Bluegrass. Although, if he does have $102K he is likely to get in as I don't think a horse with over $100K has failed to get in the Derby yet. Just thought that Graded earnings were an issue, if you want to make sure you can get enough to get in, Arkansas seems to be an easier place than BG. Forgot anout Santa Anita, that it is coming up light as well.
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Old 03-27-2007, 03:56 PM
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I agree about AGS needing earning but remember, he'll be one of the top 2 choices in the Blue Grass, with a %750k purse. If he's one of the choices, why should he duck the spot and go elsewhere?
i dont think he will be top 2 not with hard spun, street sense, and great hunter... i'd prefer any of those horse to any given saturday
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Old 03-27-2007, 12:07 PM
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AGS could run in the coolmore lexington I imagine, but the 2 weeks is obviously the issue. He needs graded earnings, although if we don't see any more upsets, I think he gets in regardless.
Pletcher's runners:
CQ - Wood
Scat Daddy - florida derby
Any Given Saturday - Bluegrass
Cowtown Cat - Illinois Derby
Sam P - Santa Anita Derby
Deadly Dealer - Arkansas Derby

The Bluegrass will be loaded, but the timing (3 weeks out) travel logistics (easy van ride to Churchill after) and the forgiving polytrack surface are all too important to pass up for horses who are already in the derby with earnings and just need a final tune up.
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Old 03-27-2007, 12:22 PM
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Ags is not in the top 30 right now but it looks like about 12-14 of those on the list are not considered Derby candidates right now. AGS could probably get in with a 2nd in the Blue Grass. I suppose the Lexington is a last ditch chance but running that often is not Pletcher's style.
I know AGS was second in the KY Jockey Club and the TB Derby, how much $$$ does he have? I'm guessing about $70k in graded earnings...
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Old 03-27-2007, 12:24 PM
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He's at about $102,000.
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AGS could run in the coolmore lexington I imagine, but the 2 weeks is obviously the issue. He needs graded earnings, although if we don't see any more upsets, I think he gets in regardless.
Pletcher's runners:
CQ - Wood
Scat Daddy - florida derby
Any Given Saturday - Bluegrass
Cowtown Cat - Illinois Derby
Sam P - Santa Anita Derby
Deadly Dealer - Arkansas Derby

The Bluegrass will be loaded, but the timing (3 weeks out) travel logistics (easy van ride to Churchill after) and the forgiving polytrack surface are all too important to pass up for horses who are already in the derby with earnings and just need a final tune up.
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Old 03-27-2007, 11:53 AM
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I thought Circular Quay was goin to Ark???

Lexington should been a good race when all is said and done due to the fact of graded earnings. You should have a full field trying to get some more cash so they dont have to sweat getting in.


Also Sedgefield should be headed to the Bluegrass and if he runs high-- KY Derby for a Turf horse
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The Wood is free money for any of these that can really run. There isn't anybody top flight pointing for it.
All you have to do is beat Circular Quay and Nobiz, and you get all the "free money" you can count. It's the SA Derby that looks light.
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Old 03-27-2007, 12:02 PM
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All you have to do is beat Circular Quay and Nobiz, and you get all the "free money" you can count.
I heard Arkansas for CQ. Has this changed?
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Old 03-27-2007, 01:28 PM
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I heard Arkansas for CQ. Has this changed?
last I heard it was the Wood for CQ... I wasn't aware if that changed.
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I'm guessing the cut-off for graded earnings will be closer to $150,000-$175,000 this year than the $100,000 of years past.
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Old 03-27-2007, 01:45 PM
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Derby earnings level has been about $135,000-$160,000..

The fields as they appear currently:

FLORIDA DERBY:

Hal's My Hope, J. Rivera
Boogie Boggs, J. Bravo
J'burg Star, R. Maraagh
Notional, R. Albarado
Stormello, V. Espinoza
Scat Daddy, J. Velasquez
Adore the Gold, E. Prado
Chelokee, M. Guidry
Imawildandcrazyguy, R. Bejarano
Bold Start, Manny Cruz


ILLINOIS DERBY:

Cowtown Cat*
Cobalt Blue
Freesgood
Catman Running


WOOD MEMORIAL:

Nobiz Likeshobiz
Circular Quay
Sightseeing
Summer Doldrums
Sir Whimsey
Cowtown Cat*


SANTA ANITA DERBY:

Sam P.
Boutrous
Bwana Bull
Liquidity
Medici Code
King of the Roxy
Song of Navarone


ARKANSAS DERBY:

Ketchikan
Teufelsberg
Officer Rockett
Deadly Dealer
Curlin


BLUE GRASS:

Street Sense
Any Given Saturday
Hard Spun
Zanjero
Birdbirdistheword
Great Hunter
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