hard spun ..impressed..not really

[JJP]

Originally Posted by jpops757

A lot of the so called better horses arent good enough to take advantage of the inside holes. What I cant understand is why cant a horse that makes a good trip cant be the best horse. AGS was in front of SS but chose to go outside so why say he got the worse trip. Maybe his rider didnt have the horse to take the inside.

If SS ran the better race than AGS, he would've won by more than 1 inch. When two horses finish an inch apart, one closing on a fast pace while saving every inch of ground while the other is closer to the fast pace and goes wide on the second turn, I don't think its hard to see why most feel AGS ran the superior race.

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by JJP

If SS ran the better race than AGS, he would've won by more than 1 inch. When two horses finish an inch apart, one closing on a fast pace while saving every inch of ground while the other is closer to the fast pace and goes wide on the second turn, I don't think its hard to see why most feel AGS ran the superior race.

Did you see the race? The inside was there but he chose to go outside. AGS was ahead of SS and chose to go outside. How can you say AGS was better mthan SS.

[jjf1031]

Originally Posted by jpops757

Did you see the race? The inside was there but he chose to go outside. AGS was ahead of SS and chose to go outside. How can you say AGS was better mthan SS.

If jockey chose to go outside yet horse still ran SS to a nose decision, how does that not make it a superior race. Have to agree with JJP

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by jjf1031

If jockey chose to go outside yet horse still ran SS to a nose decision, how does that not make it a superior race. Have to agree with JJP

Don't know why anyone would try to separate 'the superior race' from between Any Given Saturday and Street Sense at Tampa or what is accomplished in trying to do so...

Saturday had the advantagve of a race over the surface and 2nd/start off the layoff... Street Sense had the disadvantage of first start off a 100+ day layoff and a trip over the slower part of the track... Saturday lost some ground on the turn and Street saved some... They arrived at the wire together. Equally terrific performances and neither deserves to be identified as 'superior'.

They each were superb and they both exit the race as worthy of praise and expectations of ongoing excellence this campaign.

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Don't know why anyone would try to seperate 'the superior race' from between Any Given Saturday and Street Sense at Tampa or what is accomplished in trying to do so...

Saturday had the advantagve of a race over the surface and 2nd/start off the layoff... Street Sense had the disadvantage of first start off a 100+ day layoff and a trip over the slower part of the track... Saturday lost some ground on the turn and Street saved some... They arrived at the wire together. Equally terrific performances and neither deserves to be identified as 'superior'.

They each were superb and they both exit the race as worthy of praise and expectations of ongoing excellence this campaign.

I see the above post as viewing the glass as half full rather alot of posts lately as trying to make a case for the glass being half empty...IMHO both performances were very good but for different reasons.

[jjf1031]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Don't know why anyone would try to seperate 'the superior race' from between Any Given Saturday and Street Sense at Tampa or what is accomplished in trying to do so...

Saturday had the advantagve of a race over the surface and 2nd/start off the layoff... Street Sense had the disadvantage of first start off a 100+ day layoff and a trip over the slower part of the track... Saturday lost some ground on the turn and Street saved some... They arrived at the wire together. Equally terrific performances and neither deserves to be identified as 'superior'.

They each were superb and they both exit the race as worthy of praise and expectations of ongoing excellence this campaign.

Steve

I was just making the comment that jockey decision to go outside on AGS does not lower the effort he put in. If anything it makes it stronger that he overcame the decision

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by jjf1031

Steve

I was just making the comment that jockey decision to go outside on AGS does not lower the effort he put in. If anything it makes it stronger that he overcame the decision

jjf,

Agree.. I'd also say that Johnny V's constant over/under shoulder glancing to watch for Street Sense worked against Any Given Saturday.. Takes a horse and rider out of their rhythm..

Originally Posted by Kasept

jjf,

Agree.. I'd also say that Johnny V's constant over/under shoulder glancing to watch for Street Sense worked against Any Given Saturday.. Takes a horse and rider out of their rhythm..

This is something I really dont like jocks to do with younger horses. JV is very good, but I have seen him do this before and the horse quits paying attention to his purpose. I know JV needs to make a decision on what to do, and maybe he is experimenting (if the horse will keep on task), but I have seen horses lose their concentration and rythym based on what they feel the jockey doing up top.

Some of these horses are not cars that will just keep going while you glance around, even with foot on pedal.

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by jjf1031

If jockey chose to go outside yet horse still ran SS to a nose decision, how does that not make it a superior race. Have to agree with JJP

What it amounts to is both horses ran there race and SS won. If they both run again I look for similar style and maybe AGS will turn the table but dont tell me AGS was the best horse in last. The finish tells te tale.