hard spun ..impressed..not really

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Really and why? (other than I know you don't really like Street Sense)

Not b/c of Street Sense at all....But b/c I liked his style today, he was patient and professional and I felt there was something left at the end. He was 3 wide essentially the whole race and won from a very difficult post in a route race there...Just liked this race by Hard Spun more than that one. Just as I've liked Great Hunter's races more than this one. You just start ranking them in your mind is all....I am a Jones fan also. Would place a horse with him in a heartbeat.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Not b/c of Street Sense at all....But b/c I liked his style today, he was patient and professional and I felt there was something left at the end. He was 3 wide essentially the whole race and won from a very difficult post in a route race there...Just liked this race by Hard Spun more than that one. Just as I've liked Great Hunter's races more than this one. You just start ranking them in your mind is all....I am a Jones fan also. Would place a horse with him in a heartbeat.

The post is not a bad one at Turfway and the being 3 wide in routes is not bad either. The track plays almost opposite of a regular dirt track.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The post is not a bad one at Turfway and the being 3 wide in routes is not bad either. The track plays almost opposite of a regular dirt track.

No doubt TP poly is more fair when wide, but Hard Spun took the overland route at every point in the race---and just got the feeling he was in control from the opening bell and Pino could take it any time he wanted it....End of the day, I'm looking forward to Hard Spun's next race when I wasn't even looking forward to this one.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

No doubt TP poly is more fair when wide, but Hard Spun took the overland route at every point in the race---and just got the feeling he was in control from the opening bell and Pino could take it any time he wanted it....End of the day, I'm looking forward to Hard Spun's next race when I wasn't even looking forward to this one.

He got almost the same trip he got in the Oaklawn race. Everybody killed Pino then . Funny how circumstances can make the same ride either great or horrible.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He got almost the same trip he got in the Oaklawn race. Everybody killed Pino then . Funny how circumstances can make the same ride either great or horrible.

I just think he was flat that day at OP for whatever reason....I'll tell you, whenever I see Jones horses at Bel or Sar, they always look muscled out. Bunch of tanks running around. And from what I could see from ESPN today, he has that look.

[randallscott35]

I'm just thrilled Bullara was up the track.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I'm just thrilled Bullara was up the track.

He had to be up the track...he has very limited ability. I was thrilled Twilight Meteor, who was the second choice I think, didn't run a lick. To me he was the biggest joke in the race. I don't blame them for running but from a handicapping standpoint he was a complete toss for me.

[The Bid]

Had he been beaten Pino would have been bashed for another 3 wide trip. The only difference is this field was a bunch of plugs, he probably could have been 5 wide and won. I dont think this enhances his chances of winning the Derby, infact I dont think hes a serious contender, however nothing else in that field was either.

Yeah, nice call there. I looked at those Bullara PP's over and over, it took him 7 times to break his maiden which is of course red flag right there, at least for the win. So ok, he's not great, but he's now gone back to the Pletcher barn after his maiden win. So maybe something's up there, maybe he's finally figured it out.

But then I look at all those maiden races and one time he was less than even money to win and he fails. And three other times, he was less than 3-2 to win and he cant win. How can a horse be that well thought of that many times and still not win..? Maybe they were setting it up for the big score?? I dunno, seemed odd.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I just think he was flat that day at OP for whatever reason....I'll tell you, whenever I see Jones horses at Bel or Sar, they always look muscled out. Bunch of tanks running around. And from what I could see from ESPN today, he has that look.

I think that if the Southwest was run at TP then he may have won that too.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He got almost the same trip he got in the Oaklawn race. Everybody killed Pino then . Funny how circumstances can make the same ride either great or horrible.

At Oaklawn he fired the same way he did today and hung. He did not hang today. I thought he had a lot of gunk upon scoping him at the SW. It may be the surface, but it may be the horse was fit today.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by pgardn

At Oaklawn he fired the same way he did today and hung. I thought he had a lot of gunk upon scoping him. It may be the surface, but it may be the horse was fit today.

They all have gunk when they don't fire. Or entrapped, or didn't like the track, or don't run well on cloudy days....etc....he just didn't have it that day. As i've always said, they aren't robots. The best horses have off days---except Mineshaft--LOL.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

They all have gunk when they don't fire. Or entrapped, or didn't like the track, or don't run well on cloudy days....etc....he just didn't have it that day. As i've always said, they aren't robots. The best horses have off days---except Mineshaft--LOL.

Mineshaft had one off day I believe. His first on the turf. After he got off of that surface things were never the same.
Dammit Randall Im tryin to help you here. He may not have been feeling well at the SW. I think he is a good horse poly or not. He may not win the Derby but he has the style that can. Only thing is he appears to run hard. He looks like he takes a bit of a pounding, but this may just be me. Or maybe its just the replays I have watched. Others may show differently.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The post is not a bad one at Turfway and the being 3 wide in routes is not bad either. The track plays almost opposite of a regular dirt track.

Cannon, recheck your stats on this one. The outside posts (10,11,12) in routes are something like 6 for 100 this year... not GP bad but pretty tough. In sprints, outside seems to be better, or at least fair, however.

I was super impressed by this performance. I know the Polytrack throws a lot of indifference into people's analysis, but it's not like he hasn't run well on traditional dirt. No matter what the surface, he was 3 wide on a solid pace and ran away when asked. The field was spread out behind him- it was a good 10-12 lengths back to 4th place... the mark of a REALLY good performance.

I couldn't kill Pino for being 3-4 wide at Oaklawn. There was nowhere to go, and why sacrifice the horse in that race when there are bigger and better objectives down the road? Take it as a learning experience, pick up a small check, and try again.

[slotdirt]

I always think it's funny this time of the year to see how high or how low folks get on particular horses based on single performances.

I will say this: we haven't had a Derby winner from the Blue Grass in forever (or so it at least seems that way); this year's edition could certainly break that trend.

[jjf1031]

I was in the boat of throwing out the Arkansas race just based on it being one poor effort. However by the same token Saturdays race also needs to be taken with a grain of salt because of the fact that it was over Polytrack and I still hold the belief this horses future is on grass. And as we have seen the correlation between turf horses running strongly on Polytack has proven true (Sedgefield in the same race)

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by jjf1031

I was in the boat of throwing out the Arkansas race just based on it being one poor effort. However by the same token Saturdays race also needs to be taken with a grain of salt because of the fact that it was over Polytrack and I still hold the belief this horses future is on grass. And as we have seen the correlation between turf horses running strongly on Polytack has proven true (Sedgefield in the same race)

Hard Spun has done well on dirt as well, though.

There was more than just one horse in the Lane's End with a turfy pedigree and most didn't run a lick. Why do you think that Hard Spun has a future on the turf?

[jjf1031]

Love Danzigs on turf. And did not mean that he was a Polytrack Wonder so to speak, just that the effort doe snot mean he once again steps to the upper echelon of 3YO class anymore than one poor effort in Arkansas would move him down. I have maintained him in the 6 or 7 slot in my Top 10 since day one and he remains there still

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by philcski

Cannon, recheck your stats on this one. The outside posts (10,11,12) in routes are something like 6 for 100 this year... not GP bad but pretty tough. In sprints, outside seems to be better, or at least fair, however.

I was super impressed by this performance. I know the Polytrack throws a lot of indifference into people's analysis, but it's not like he hasn't run well on traditional dirt. No matter what the surface, he was 3 wide on a solid pace and ran away when asked. The field was spread out behind him- it was a good 10-12 lengths back to 4th place... the mark of a REALLY good performance.

I couldn't kill Pino for being 3-4 wide at Oaklawn. There was nowhere to go, and why sacrifice the horse in that race when there are bigger and better objectives down the road? Take it as a learning experience, pick up a small check, and try again.

As of 3/24 post 10 in route races at TP was 12%.

[Payson Dave]

Hey Cannon,
Did everyone ship ok?? Are you back at Churchill?