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Old 06-26-2006, 01:24 PM
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So hard to tell right now.....but if I had to bet I'd go with Flower Alley. Too bad they don't do future wagers for HOY.
Barbaro? No way.
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Old 06-26-2006, 01:47 PM
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The ball is in Lava Man's court. If he wins 2-3 more races at the Grade 1 level this year and runs 1st or 2nd in the BC Classic he wins, unless Flower Alley wins the 3 grade 1's he is aiming towards- Whitney, Jockey Club and BC Classic. If Flower Alley is the horse to defeat Lava Man in the BC Classic and Lava Man runs 2nd, Lava Man still wins HOY.

I dont give any 3 year old any shot at HOY except for Showing Up. Not crazy about Bernardini winning anymore than 1 grade 1 and that wont be enough.

Now if Showing Up were to stay on grass and win 3 grade 1's including a BC race, he would be HOY.

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Old 06-26-2006, 01:58 PM
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The ball is in Lava Man's court. If he wins 2-3 more races at the Grade 1 level this year and runs 1st or 2nd in the BC Classic he wins, unless Flower Alley wins the 3 grade 1's he is aiming towards- Whitney, Jockey Club and BC Classic. If Flower Alley is the horse to defeat Lava Man in the BC Classic and Lava Man runs 2nd, Lava Man still wins HOY.

I dont give any 3 year old any shot at HOY except for Showing Up. Not crazy about Bernardini winning anymore than 1 grade 1 and that wont be enough.

Now if Showing Up were to stay on grass and win 3 grade 1's including a BC race, he would be HOY.

Are you the guy on finalturn that thinks Showing Up is Secretariat? Showing Up isn't winning horse of the year no matter what. Turf Eclipse award is actually a real possibility after watching him saturday, maybe even 3yr old if he does what you said with all the grade 1's, but HOY is for dirt horses. I too like Lava Man but watch out for Bellamy Road.
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Old 06-27-2006, 07:09 AM
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Are you the guy on finalturn that thinks Showing Up is Secretariat? Showing Up isn't winning horse of the year no matter what. Turf Eclipse award is actually a real possibility after watching him saturday, maybe even 3yr old if he does what you said with all the grade 1's, but HOY is for dirt horses. I too like Lava Man but watch out for Bellamy Road.
If the dirt horses take turns beating each other, then a turfer can get HOY. HOY was there for Slew O Gold in '84 but he lost in the BCC letting John Henry slip in. In '93 (?) had Bertrando not lost the BCC to Arcangues, he would have been HOY but Kotashan won it with his superior year on the turf.
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Old 06-27-2006, 08:04 AM
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HOY???? Surf Cat of course.
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Old 06-26-2006, 02:46 PM
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The ball is in Lava Man's court. If he wins 2-3 more races at the Grade 1 level this year and runs 1st or 2nd in the BC Classic he wins, unless Flower Alley wins the 3 grade 1's he is aiming towards- Whitney, Jockey Club and BC Classic. If Flower Alley is the horse to defeat Lava Man in the BC Classic and Lava Man runs 2nd, Lava Man still wins HOY.

I dont give any 3 year old any shot at HOY except for Showing Up. Not crazy about Bernardini winning anymore than 1 grade 1 and that wont be enough.

Now if Showing Up were to stay on grass and win 3 grade 1's including a BC race, he would be HOY.

Tim you are way off. IF Flower Alley wins the BCC he is HOY, makes no difference who runs 2nd. Lava Man is noones hero after beating the awful competition that he has so far except yours. I think you are way overboard on him.
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Old 06-26-2006, 02:50 PM
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I will throw one in there--Deep Impact. If this horse wins the Arc and maybe he comes to Louisville and wins the classic then I cannot see how you cant vote him as HOY. But like Oracle said--Flower Alley. It is his to loose.
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Old 06-26-2006, 02:50 PM
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Your right. He could probably not beat Gold and Roses and Network.
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Old 06-26-2006, 02:52 PM
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Your right. He could probably not beat Gold and Roses and Network.
Tim noone is saying that he couldnt. But please tell me who he has beaten so far this year? Know who? The very horses you make fun of and ridcule all the time. And last time I checked FA won the Travers and placed in the BCC last year and that credibility carries over. I'm sorry but only winning in Cali isnt gonna cut it.
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Old 06-26-2006, 02:56 PM
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Those races have nothing to do with this year Mike, they were run last year. If they do then the whole award is meaningless anyways.

Lava Man has beating nothings, I wont deny it.
But hes done it on 2 surfaces.
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Old 06-26-2006, 03:06 PM
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Those races have nothing to do with this year Mike, they were run last year. If they do then the whole award is meaningless anyways.

Lava Man has beating nothings, I wont deny it.
But hes done it on 2 surfaces.
No Tim they don't count towards this year but your post was kind of silly. You are making it out like FA never won at the very highest level or played well there. Lava Man never has. That was his comeback race and if you are a smart trainer you dont throw back into the fire off a long layoff. YOu build their fitness up a race at a time. The Whitney is his next stop, and the WHitney is more prestigious than any race that lava man has ever won. Purse money isn't prestige, and the WHitney is absolutely the most prestigious race you can win with a horse outside the TRi Crown races or the BCC. Past winners include: Equipoise, Discovery(3 times), War Admiral, Stymie, Tom Fool, Kelso(3 times), Dr ***er, Key To The Mint, Alydar, Slew O Gold, Lady's Secret, Java Gold, Personal Ensign, Easy Goer, Criminal Type(not as big a name as these but still voted HOY that year), Awesome Again, Victory Gallop, Lemon Drop Kid, Left Bank, etc. The roster of horses who lost the Whitney is just as impressive. Last years HOY St Liam was defeated there and a little old horse named Secretariat lost it as well as many others.
When you win the Whitney, you join history and certainly vault to the head of the class if you any prior form whatsoever.
What I'm saying is that if Flower Alley wins the WHitney he is DEFINITELY in the drivers seat. Any notion that if he wins the WHitney that he is chasing Lava Man and that Lava could beat him for HOY by running 2nd in the BCC is purely delusional.
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Old 06-26-2006, 01:58 PM
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So hard to tell right now.....but if I had to bet I'd go with Flower Alley. Too bad they don't do future wagers for HOY.
Barbaro? No way.

You can bet futures on the BC Classic in vegas.
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Old 06-26-2006, 02:16 PM
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No I dont post on any other sight.

Bellamy Road, HOY? Hes got a lot of work to do to get that. I think hes a cut below the top horses.
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Old 06-26-2006, 02:44 PM
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Flower Alley
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Old 09-04-2006, 08:33 PM
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Flower Alley
Is he still running?
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Old 09-04-2006, 08:37 PM
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Really weak, you're reaching now.

Take your licks man, you were very confident and ****y regarding CQ.
Once you put all your chips in with an opinion like that, you have to be ready to face the music.
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