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Old 03-20-2007, 05:07 PM
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He's way overhyped. Just look at who was third in his last race. Maybe he improves, but right now he's nowhere, and everyone I know out West feels the same way...for whatever that's worth.
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Old 03-20-2007, 05:10 PM
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Might still be able to win SA Derby if some dont show. Cobalt shipping to Illinois I heard and KOTR I dont believe will get 1 1/8. Liquidity or Air Commander possibly but even if Ravel wins, great bet against on Derby Day
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Old 03-20-2007, 05:14 PM
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Originally I was pretty positive, right after the Sham. However, upon further reflection, and in light of what other horses are doing that came out of that race, I have downgraded my original assessment. Like others I'm not sure it was such a strong race after all. I still liked the way the horse ran, and he is eligible to improve so he's one to watch for sure.
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Old 03-20-2007, 05:46 PM
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He's way overhyped. Just look at who was third in his last race. Maybe he improves, but right now he's nowhere, and everyone I know out West feels the same way...for whatever that's worth.
HEY! I actually like that horse.
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Old 03-20-2007, 05:51 PM
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HEY! I actually like that horse.

I only saw him on TV but he looked a little sore to me.
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Old 03-20-2007, 06:02 PM
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I only saw him on TV but he looked a little sore to me.
yea but he looked great in the paddock. only when he was cantering down the stretch could you really see the soreness. especially compared to his 2yo sale workout
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Old 03-20-2007, 06:04 PM
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yea but he looked great in the paddock. only when he was cantering down the stretch could you really see the soreness. especially compared to his 2yo sale workout

I hadn't seen his sale video....that was part of the problem.
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Old 03-20-2007, 06:05 PM
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I hadn't seen his sale video....that was part of the problem.
they are archived on the sale company's website...another tool for your trip handicapping...
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Old 03-20-2007, 06:18 PM
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they are archived on the sale company's website...another tool for your trip handicapping...
yes. how dare you handicap a race without feeling all the horses legs (twice) and watching their juiced up sale work. then you must discuss what you learned with the big shots you hang out with.
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I only saw him on TV but he looked a little sore to me.
I thought for certain that you'd felt his legs before, Andy! Stop slacking!
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He's way overhyped. Just look at who was third in his last race. Maybe he improves, but right now he's nowhere, and everyone I know out West feels the same way...for whatever that's worth.
I got roasted on the other forum for saying he did nothing to impress me. He does have room to improve, as do all young horses, but what I saw from him didn't impress me one bit. Yet, the people were going crazy over him. I don't see it. Sniper was suggesting that the connections wouldn't run Rags to Riches in the SA Derby because they already have Ravel for that race. I think that's stupid. If they really want to win the race, why wouldn't they take their best shot? Their best shot is not Ravel.
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I got roasted on the other forum for saying he did nothing to impress me. He does have room to improve, as do all young horses, but what I saw from him didn't impress me one bit. Yet, the people were going crazy over him. I don't see it. Sniper was suggesting that the connections wouldn't run Rags to Riches in the SA Derby because they already have Ravel for that race. I think that's stupid. If they really want to win the race, why wouldn't they take their best shot? Their best shot is not Ravel.
It would be a disaster for them in many ways if Ravel finished second to Rags to Riches, and even if that chance is slight, the risk cannot be worth the negative rewards.
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It would be a disaster for them in many ways if Ravel finished second to Rags to Riches, and even if that chance is slight, the risk cannot be worth the negative rewards.
That much I agree with. What I was thinking was that they ship Ravel somewhere else and take a shot at that race with their best horse.
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That much I agree with. What I was thinking was that they ship Ravel somewhere else and take a shot at that race with their best horse.
But where? The preps are pretty loaded right now. Wood, FL Derby, Bluegrass...
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That much I agree with. What I was thinking was that they ship Ravel somewhere else and take a shot at that race with their best horse.
Because the Santa Anita Derby is going to be the G1 that Ravel has the best chance to win.
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Because the Santa Anita Derby is going to be the G1 that Ravel has the best chance to win.
I don't know about that. I don't know what the Wood and the Blue Grass fields will look like. Sightseek says they are loaded but I just don't see that at all.
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Old 03-20-2007, 07:24 PM
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I don't know about that. I don't know what the Wood and the Blue Grass fields will look like. Sightseek says they are loaded but I just don't see that at all.
The Wood won't be fantastic but they are already looking to get another G1 for Circular Quay in that one to be able to add "Grade 1 winner at 2 and 3" to the stallion ad plus there is Nobiz to Shobiz that is still scaring some trainers off. The Blue Grass is loaded including Street Sense, Great Hunter, Ketchikan, Belgravia, Any Given Saturday, and Twilight Meteor. All but Ketchikan are proven on the poly as well while Ravel isn't.
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Old 03-20-2007, 07:25 PM
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I don't know about that. I don't know what the Wood and the Blue Grass fields will look like. Sightseek says they are loaded but I just don't see that at all.
You've got Circular Quay in the Wood (and Nobiz if the blinks help) and Street Sense & Any Given Saturday in the Bluegrass, do you think he can beat them?
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She gains very little for them by winning the Santa Anita Derby. Plus, it looks like the weakest prep, so therefore it suits their plans for Ravel quite well. If he were to somehow win that race he has already done enough for them in all likelihood.

Remember, they just retired their best 3YO in Europe.
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I got roasted on the other forum for saying he did nothing to impress me. He does have room to improve, as do all young horses, but what I saw from him didn't impress me one bit. Yet, the people were going crazy over him. I don't see it. Sniper was suggesting that the connections wouldn't run Rags to Riches in the SA Derby because they already have Ravel for that race. I think that's stupid. If they really want to win the race, why wouldn't they take their best shot? Their best shot is not Ravel.
As I explained over there getting a G1 on Ravel's stallion resume is worth way more to them than having the best chance of winning the race. If Ravel ran second to Rags in the SA Derby they would have made a huge mistake in terms of his stallion resume which is all Coolmore cares about. I don't particularly like Ravel either, I just thought the idea that he was going to have to step up to beat Rags because he was only a G3 winner and she was a G1 winner was ridiculous. I think she would have to improve to have a shot in the SA Derby which she is surely capable of but is far from a given.
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