Smarty Jones Classic

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think it is a bit much to be comparing either Smarty or Barbaro do those you have mentioned. I understand the point you are making but they aren't in those horses league.

You are correct, because of the other horses' accomplishments after the triple crown. SJ and Barbaro were never able to race after the Triple Crown, so who knows.

Still if you ever see a list naming the undefeated winners of the K Derby, those are the 6 horses on the list. SJ and Barbaro accomplished what they did to deserve being on that list.

Undefeated Derby Winners
2006: Barbaro (6-0)

2004: Smarty Jones (7-0)

1977: Seattle Slew (7-0)

1969: Majestic Prince (8-0)

1922: Morvich (12-0)

1915: Regret (4-0)

http://www.49abcnews.com/news/2006/m...cky_derby_win/

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

You are correct, because of the other horses' accomplishments after the triple crown. SJ and Barbaro were never able to race after the Triple Crown, so who knows.

Still if you ever see a list naming the undefeated winners of the K Derby, those are the 6 horses on the list. SJ and Barbaro accomplished what they did to deserve being on that list.

Undefeated Derby Winners
2006: Barbaro (6-0)

2004: Smarty Jones (7-0)

1977: Seattle Slew (7-0)

1969: Majestic Prince (8-0)

1922: Morvich (12-0)

1915: Regret (4-0)

http://www.49abcnews.com/news/2006/m...cky_derby_win/

The group that Barbaro faced was much much better than the one Smarty faced....Lion Heart? Ughh.

[blackthroatedwind]

You are parading out skewed facts for what reason?

Horses get in the Hall of Fame based on their careers, not what might have been, and Smarty Jones and Barbaro did not have careers worthy of the Hall of Fame or even comparable to the names you are mentioning. The fact that there were some similarities to their race records is irrelevent.

Here is a fact....War Emblem accomplished more in his career than Smarty Jones. Real Quiet accomplished more in his career than Smarty Jones. These are facts. What Smarty might have done had he not been " injured " is merely conjecture. His race record is unworthy of Hall of Fame discussion....much less inclusion.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You are parading out skewed facts for what reason?

Horses get in the Hall of Fame based on their careers, not what might have been, and Smarty Jones and Barbaro did not have careers worthy of the Hall of Fame or even comparable to the names you are mentioning. The fact that there were some similarities to their race records is irrelevent.

Here is a fact....War Emblem accomplished more in his career than Smarty Jones. Real Quiet accomplished more in his career than Smarty Jones. These are facts. What Smarty might have done had he not been " injured " is merely conjecture. His race record is unworthy of Hall of Fame discussion....much less inclusion.

Yeah and it's not like he would've beat Bernardini. Now there is a hof horse.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Yeah and it's not like he would've beat Bernardini. Now there is a hof horse.

His actual accomplishments were greater than Smarty Jones....and he has as much chance of being in the Hall of Fame as Spooky Mulder.

[randallscott35]

True enough, I love Mineshaft but I know he'll never be in the Hall Of Fame. Doesn't diminish what I thought of him. HOF is simply a title after all.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

His actual accomplishments were greater than Smarty Jones....and he has as much chance of being in the Hall of Fame as Spooky Mulder.

Well....he was sore in the bcc. I think his second place finish was one of the best performances in the history of sport. A tear rolled down my cheek when I watched that magnificent animal labor down the stretch that dreary afternoon at Churchill Downs.

Lucky for me I knew he was a sore horse when I saw him in the paddock while watching the live feed from a 19 inch rca in the grandstand area. Didn't wager a dime on him.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Well....he was sore in the bcc. I think his second place finish was one of the best performances in the history of sport. A tear rolled down my cheek when I watched that magnificent animal labor down the stretch that dreary afternoon at Churchill Downs.

Lucky for me I knew he was a sore horse when I saw him in the paddock while watching the live feed from a 19 inch rca in the grandstand area. Didn't wager a dime on him.

Wait a second, were you with Kyroses when you saw him in the paddock?

[GPK]

You guys would be bumbling idiots if not for Jessica and I to keep ya'll pointed in the right direction...

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Wait a second, were you with Kyroses when you saw him in the paddock?

I wish. She was lookin fine in her purple burka in the Darley box. I tried to get her attention but she didn't notice me.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You are parading out skewed facts for what reason?

Horses get in the Hall of Fame based on their careers, not what might have been, and Smarty Jones and Barbaro did not have careers worthy of the Hall of Fame or even comparable to the names you are mentioning. The fact that there were some similarities to their race records is irrelevent.

Here is a fact....War Emblem accomplished more in his career than Smarty Jones. Real Quiet accomplished more in his career than Smarty Jones. These are facts. What Smarty might have done had he not been " injured " is merely conjecture. His race record is unworthy of Hall of Fame discussion....much less inclusion.

He was my introduction into horse racing....

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by GPK

He was my introduction into horse racing....

Yet another reason he belongs in the Hall of Fame.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yet another reason he belongs in the Hall of Fame.

I have been good for the sport, haven't I??

[King Glorious]

I'm just glad that there is a King Glorious Stakes. Nothing else even matters. Oh yeah, Smarty Jones deserves to be and will UNDOUBTEDLY be a first ballot hall of famer.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I'm just glad that there is a King Glorious Stakes. Nothing else even matters. Oh yeah, Smarty Jones deserves to be and will UNDOUBTEDLY be a first ballot hall of famer.

We should bet on that.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

We should bet on that.

Lest u think that I disagree with what u have said on this thread, I don't. I think that the sense of history is totally lost on today's fans and that it doesn't make much sense that a Smarty Jones can get in while a horse like Manila sits on the sidelines. But, that's the way it is today. I think several horses of today will get in that maybe shouldn't. I don't think Smarty is in that group though. I think he deserves it.

[Payson Dave]

Damn...some people just seem to get off on arguing with others... Opinions are like azzholes...everybody has one...and furthermore everybody is entitled to have one...Smarty Jones did bring some fans to the game...that is a good thing...being argumentative and arrogant won't encourage very many new players...Getting new blood interested in the sport is crucial to it's survival...
Not that it matters but I've been playing the ponies for at least the past 37 years...I was at Saratoga when Onion beat Big Red...I was at Saratoga when General Assembly won in the mud...I was there when Alydar and Affirmed battled in the Travers...I've been to more than a few tracks and seen more than a few good race horses...it is ok for someone to have liked Smarty Jones...it is ok for someone to have liked Easy Goer...or Four Star Dave or War Emblem or even a rat like Spend A Buck...much of this game revolves around forming opinions...and there ain't nothing wrong with everybody having different ones.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I'm just glad that there is a King Glorious Stakes. Nothing else even matters. Oh yeah, Smarty Jones deserves to be and will UNDOUBTEDLY be a first ballot hall of famer.

Scary thought that a horse with 3 important wins would be considered a first ballot hall of famer.