Best Turf Horse in America

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by GPK

PG....Showing Up is very good...and he may prove to be even better this year as 4YO. But as of now, he has beat nothing but 3YO's. I believe it was Cacique that ran past Showing Up like he was standing still.... in the Man O War...

i realize this, but isent cacique retired ? showing up is very talented and yes he has to improve but as of now he has to be 1-2 with the other one in consideration being the tin man

[GPK]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i realize this, but isent cacique retired ? showing up is very talented and yes he has to improve but as of now he has to be 1-2 with the other one in consideration being the tin man

Of course Cacique is retired....how forgetful of me. But still, IMO, it is hard to label him #1 when he has yet to win against older horses.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by GPK

Of course Cacique is retired....how forgetful of me. But still, IMO, it is hard to label him #1 when he has yet to win against older horses.

i see what your saying, i just think based on how weak the division is and how overrated english channel is, i think it has to be showing up, unless you want to put the tin man in the number 1 spot, which i would not argue

[GPK]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i see what your saying, i just think based on how weak the division is and how overrated english channel is, i think it has to be showing up, unless you want to put the tin man in the number 1 spot, which i would not argue

The Tin Man can certainly be considered for the #1 spot...no denying that.

[ceejay]

Pretty weak division. I can only really put Showing Up and Lava man (let's revisit in 2 weeks) there. maybe we'll see somithing out of some others this spring/summer.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by ceejay

Pretty weak division. I can only really put Showing Up and Lava man (let's revisit in 2 weeks) there. maybe we'll see somithing out of some others this spring/summer.

Yeah Lava Man is tough to figure on this list. In Cali, I would certainly bet him against Showing Up, but unless he proves he can win outside of Cali (which I doubt he ever will) I wouldn't put him in the top 3.

[KirisClown]

Turk Passer

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Was it the Sword Dancer or Man O' War he wired at a huge price, possibly with Johnny V?

Close, it was actually the Turf Classic with Velazquez... on what was a horrible Breeders Cup Preview day at Belmont.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by ceejay

Pretty weak division. I can only really put Showing Up and Lava man (let's revisit in 2 weeks) there. maybe we'll see somithing out of some others this spring/summer.

i wouldnt put lava man on my list at all, because in cali or not i dont think he could beat the tin man

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i wouldnt put lava man on my list at all, because in cali or not i dont think he could beat the tin man

While The Tin Man was very consistent last year and ran a terrific race in the Arlington Million the horse was able to back the pace down to a ridiculous level. It was an absolutely masterful ride by Victor Espinoza, who is very tough on a frontrunner, but I would like to see The Tin Man win a race with A) a good field and B) run legitimate fractions en route to the victory. He is undoubtedly a top notch turfer in this country, these are just some things I'd like to see.

In a 1 1/4 mile race with more than one speed horse, give me English Channel over The Tin Man.

NT

[brockguy]

Bayeux was just off the top level here and should be very decent on turf and poly... there's a g1 in him i feel!

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

While The Tin Man was very consistent last year and ran a terrific race in the Arlington Million the horse was able to back the pace down to a ridiculous level. It was an absolutely masterful ride by Victor Espinoza, who is very tough on a frontrunner, but I would like to see The Tin Man win a race with A) a good field and B) run legitimate fractions en route to the victory. He is undoubtedly a top notch turfer in this country, these are just some things I'd like to see.

In a 1 1/4 mile race with more than one speed horse, give me English Channel over The Tin Man.

NT

look at the tin mans pp's he has shown the ability to go very fast early and still be there late, also he ran huge in dubai, even at his old age i'd take him over english channel

[PPerfectfan]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

While The Tin Man was very consistent last year and ran a terrific race in the Arlington Million the horse was able to back the pace down to a ridiculous level. It was an absolutely masterful ride by Victor Espinoza, who is very tough on a frontrunner, but I would like to see The Tin Man win a race with A) a good field and B) run legitimate fractions en route to the victory. He is undoubtedly a top notch turfer in this country, these are just some things I'd like to see.

In a 1 1/4 mile race with more than one speed horse, give me English Channel over The Tin Man.

NT

I dont understand why people are so hard on Tinny for the Arlington Million win. Is it his fault that the other jocks let him and Victor steal the race?hehe I also think the Dubai race was a brilliant race. He had a post that took the race out of his hands so to speak. Victor had to send him or get stuck down on the rail in major traffic, and for him to lead the whole way and just get beat by a very good horse(if you forgive the BC classic trainwreck) in David Junior.....but then agian I am just a tad prejudice!