Best Turf Horse in America

[GPK]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

I think its showing up, just want to get everyone's opinion....

my top 3, in order are...

showing up
the tin man
english channel

PG....Showing Up is very good...and he may prove to be even better this year as 4YO. But as of now, he has beat nothing but 3YO's. I believe it was Cacique that ran past Showing Up like he was standing still.... in the Man O War...

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by GPK

PG....Showing Up is very good...and he may prove to be even better this year as 4YO. But as of now, he has beat nothing but 3YO's. I believe it was Cacique that ran past Showing Up like he was standing still.... in the Man O War...

i realize this, but isent cacique retired ? showing up is very talented and yes he has to improve but as of now he has to be 1-2 with the other one in consideration being the tin man

[GPK]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i realize this, but isent cacique retired ? showing up is very talented and yes he has to improve but as of now he has to be 1-2 with the other one in consideration being the tin man

Of course Cacique is retired....how forgetful of me. But still, IMO, it is hard to label him #1 when he has yet to win against older horses.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by GPK

Of course Cacique is retired....how forgetful of me. But still, IMO, it is hard to label him #1 when he has yet to win against older horses.

i see what your saying, i just think based on how weak the division is and how overrated english channel is, i think it has to be showing up, unless you want to put the tin man in the number 1 spot, which i would not argue

[GPK]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i see what your saying, i just think based on how weak the division is and how overrated english channel is, i think it has to be showing up, unless you want to put the tin man in the number 1 spot, which i would not argue

The Tin Man can certainly be considered for the #1 spot...no denying that.

[ceejay]

Pretty weak division. I can only really put Showing Up and Lava man (let's revisit in 2 weeks) there. maybe we'll see somithing out of some others this spring/summer.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by ceejay

Pretty weak division. I can only really put Showing Up and Lava man (let's revisit in 2 weeks) there. maybe we'll see somithing out of some others this spring/summer.

Yeah Lava Man is tough to figure on this list. In Cali, I would certainly bet him against Showing Up, but unless he proves he can win outside of Cali (which I doubt he ever will) I wouldn't put him in the top 3.

[KirisClown]

Turk Passer

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by ceejay

Pretty weak division. I can only really put Showing Up and Lava man (let's revisit in 2 weeks) there. maybe we'll see somithing out of some others this spring/summer.

i wouldnt put lava man on my list at all, because in cali or not i dont think he could beat the tin man

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i wouldnt put lava man on my list at all, because in cali or not i dont think he could beat the tin man

While The Tin Man was very consistent last year and ran a terrific race in the Arlington Million the horse was able to back the pace down to a ridiculous level. It was an absolutely masterful ride by Victor Espinoza, who is very tough on a frontrunner, but I would like to see The Tin Man win a race with A) a good field and B) run legitimate fractions en route to the victory. He is undoubtedly a top notch turfer in this country, these are just some things I'd like to see.

In a 1 1/4 mile race with more than one speed horse, give me English Channel over The Tin Man.

NT