Curlin v. Cobalt Blue

[Cajungator26]

The dual qualifiers are bolded. (For those interested.) There are some not on this list, but you get the general idea.

Horse Trainer Dosage Jockey

Adore the Gold Michael Gorham 2.20 Cornelio Velasquez

Any Given Saturday Todd Pletcher 2.67 * Rafael Bejarano

Bwana Bull Jerry Hollendorfer 3.40 Russell Baze

Circular Quay Todd Pletcher 2.08 * Garrett Gomez

Cowtown Cat Todd Pletcher 2.60 Ramon Dominguez

E Z Warrior Bob Baffert 3.00 David Flores

Great Hunter Doug O'Neill 3.00 * Corey Nakatani

Hard Spun Larry Jones 2.67 Mario Pino

Ketchikan Al Stall Jr. 2.11 Larry Melancon

King of the Roxy Todd Pletcher 3.00 * Edgar Prado

Liquidity Doug O'Neill 1.86 * Corey Nakatani

Nobiz Like Shobiz Barclay Tagg 1.44 * Cornelio Velasquez

Notional Doug O'Neill 2.33 Corey Nakatani

Officer Rocket Robert Holthus 3.00 Calvin Borel

Ravel Todd Pletcher 3.00 Garrett Gomez

Scat Daddy Todd Pletcher 2.47 * John Velazquez

Stormello Bill Currin 2.67 * Kent Desormeaux

Street Sense Carl Nafzger 2.14 * Calvin Borel

Summer Doldrums Richard Violette Jr. 3.67 Mike Luzzi

Teuflesberg Jamie Sanders 2.27 Stewart Elliott

Xchanger Mark Shuman 3.00 Joe Bravo

Zanjero Steve Asmussen 3.50 Garrett Gomez

[slotdirt]

Hmmm...well the dual qualifier non-winning streak could certainly be broken this year. Certainly.

[jpops757]

To eliminate a colt because of some old tradition is kinda like saying bet the gray in the 3rd race. Because more grays win he 3rd race.This horse smoked the field in his 2nd race and 1st 2 turn race. Handicaping normally everyone would say gimme more ground and look for more improvement. If you are going to toss this horse at least evaluate his form and progression.

[hockey2315]

Cobalt Blue earned a 96 BSF compared to Curlin's 97. . .

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Cobalt Blue earned a 96 BSF compared to Curlin's 97. . .

visually i thought curlin was 10 times more impressive, i thought his number would come back 4-5 points higher than cobalt blue

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

visually i thought curlin was 10 times more impressive, i thought his number would come back 4-5 points higher than cobalt blue

Oh man!

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

visually i thought curlin was 10 times more impressive, i thought his number would come back 4-5 points higher than cobalt blue

Again even though the tracks run very differently, over 2 seconds difference seems very large. I know Santa Anita is fast but over 2 seconds??? (looks like 2.3 seconds) diff. with the winning horse on the slower track (Curlin) winning by a much wider margin.

The times must have played too much of a role in those Beyers if one horse was far more visually impressive than another (which I dont agree with, I think Cobalt Blue showed wonderful restraint, a very professional run for a relatively inexperienced horse first time going two turns) and the numbers are almost exactly the same. Maybe that big bad Grade II was given extra points or something.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

It really is almost a 2 second difference if you look at some of the results for each track on Saturday. At Santa Anita 16K claimers go in 1.10. At Oaklawn an allowance race at 6F goes in 1.12 and 3. The tracks are very different time wise.

Then maybe they automatically consider a Grade II more worthy even though in this case it was not.