Any Given Saturday

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

he dosent win, thats how.

Do you honestly think the horse had any clue whether or not he won the photo? One foot later and his head bobbed in front. The horse had no clue whether or not he won. He is also 3 for 5 which makes your "he doesn't win" comment completely ridiculous.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Do you honestly think the horse had any clue whether or not he won the photo? One foot later and his head bobbed in front. The horse had no clue whether or not he won. He is also 3 for 5 which makes your "he doesn't win" comment completely ridiculous.

well any given saturday had everything going for him, race over the track, dead fit, connections that are on fire, everything going for him and still did not beat street sense, who's trainer said this is a prep if he runs a good closing second we'd be happy

[blackthroatedwind]

Let me get this straight, Any Given Saturday lost by about six inches on Saturday to the current favorite for the Derby and he now " isn't good enough "? That kind of logic allowed Easy Goer to be 8:5 to Sunday Silence's 2:5 in the Belmont Stakes after the head bob in the Preakness. Unless one horse had real trouble in a race, and both Any Given Saturday and Street Sense had perfect trips, decisions this close are pretty much ties as far as handicapping is concerned unless one horse has PROVEN to have a disinterest in winning.

Both of Any Given Saturday's losses have been very close decisions to the two horses that many considered the leaders of this crop. How he isn't a MAJOR contender at this point is beyond me. I would bet money that Todd Pletcher considers him his best Derby horse.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Let me get this straight, Any Given Saturday lost by about six inches on Saturday to the current favorite for the Derby and he now " isn't good enough "? That kind of logic allowed Easy Goer to be 8:5 to Sunday Silence's 2:5 in the Belmont Stakes after the head bob in the Preakness. Unless one horse had real trouble in a race, and both Any Given Saturday and Street Sense had perfect trips, decisions this close are pretty much ties as far as handicapping is concerned unless one horse has PROVEN to have a disinterest in winning.

Both of Any Given Saturday's losses have been very close decisions to the two horses that many considered the leaders of this crop. How he isn't a MAJOR contender at this point is beyond me. I would bet money that Todd Pletcher considers him his best Derby horse.

Your last line is exactly what hit me after watching the race, that most of America would probably bet Scat Daddy, Ravel, and Circular Quay before Any Given Saturday and in my mind he is clearly the best of Pletcher's bunch.

NT

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Let me get this straight, Any Given Saturday lost by about six inches on Saturday to the current favorite for the Derby and he now " isn't good enough "? That kind of logic allowed Easy Goer to be 8:5 to Sunday Silence's 2:5 in the Belmont Stakes after the head bob in the Preakness. Unless one horse had real trouble in a race, and both Any Given Saturday and Street Sense had perfect trips, decisions this close are pretty much ties as far as handicapping is concerned unless one horse has PROVEN to have a disinterest in winning.

Both of Any Given Saturday's losses have been very close decisions to the two horses that many considered the leaders of this crop. How he isn't a MAJOR contender at this point is beyond me. I would bet money that Todd Pletcher considers him his best Derby horse.

Been tested twice.Failed twice.Close ain't winning.All I can tell you is that what I saw Saturday was not new.I KNEW HE WAS GUNNA LEAVE IT SHORT.Same exact look he had in the race last year.Same look that Alydar kept showing(I can do this...let me try next time..I am almost there.....I'm close.) He isn't good enough............SUCKER HORSE...............IF ever there was a SUCKER horse,it is this one.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Been tested twice.Failed twice.Close ain't winning.All I can tell you is that what I saw Saturday was not new.I KNEW HE WAS GUNNA LEAVE IT SHORT.Same exact look he had in the race last year.Same look that Alydar kept showing(I can do this...let me try next time..I am almost there.....I'm close.) He isn't good enough............SUCKER HORSE...............IF ever there was a SUCKER horse,it is this one.

Pretty impressive that you're comparing him to Alydar at this point.

With that said, this is not a sucker horse, Scuds. This isn't Perfect Drift we're talking about here.

[Grits]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

With that said, this is not a sucker horse, Scuds. This isn't Perfect Drift we're talking about here.

This is phenomenal, I'm reading the name Perfect Drift and the term--sucker horse--in the same post. Unbelievable.

CJ you would do well with 1/100th of his lifetime earnings in your bank account!!!!!!!!!!!! Please.

Originally Posted by Grits

This is phenomenal, I'm reading the name Perfect Drift and the term--sucker horse--in the same post. Unbelievable.

CJ you would do well with 1/100th of his lifetime earnings in your bank account!!!!!!!!!!!! Please.

Yeah because she's not talking about Perfect Drift from a wagering standpoint.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Grits

This is phenomenal, I'm reading the name Perfect Drift and the term--sucker horse--in the same post. Unbelievable.

CJ you would do well with 1/100th of his lifetime earnings in your bank account!!!!!!!!!!!! Please.

I'm a huge fan of Perfect Drift, Grits. The horse is a herd animal, though and has shown time and time again (much to my dismay) that he's a follower and not a leader. That is what I meant.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Pretty impressive that you're comparing him to Alydar at this point.

With that said, this is not a sucker horse, Scuds. This isn't Perfect Drift we're talking about here.

Alydar kept suckering people into playing him in the Triple Crown Races.After all,wasn't he right there pretty damn close to Affirmed? Just bad luck (I guess) that he couldn't get to him.Couldn't be that Alydar wasn't good enough.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Been tested twice.Failed twice.Close ain't winning.All I can tell you is that what I saw Saturday was not new.I KNEW HE WAS GUNNA LEAVE IT SHORT.Same exact look he had in the race last year.Same look that Alydar kept showing(I can do this...let me try next time..I am almost there.....I'm close.) He isn't good enough............SUCKER HORSE...............IF ever there was a SUCKER horse,it is this one.

WTF are you talking about? If he was always losing to inferior horses you might have a point. Do you honestly think the horse knew that his nose was three inches short on Saturday. I think that the suckers were all the people that thought he was going to easily dispatch Street Sense. After the race I came away more impressed with AGS than I was before the race. I thought he was dead game. I thought once Street Sense started rolling he would open up by daylight.

Being so lightly raced, and running against the best of his generation its ridiculous to claim he leaves it short. Is every horse that finishes second twice a SUCKER horse? He's raced five times, won three times and second twice. His maiden win was by a nose so right from the beginning your idea that he always leaves it short is wrong. He has also won by open lengths as well.

[estreetposse]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Been tested twice.Failed twice.Close ain't winning.All I can tell you is that what I saw Saturday was not new.I KNEW HE WAS GUNNA LEAVE IT SHORT.Same exact look he had in the race last year.Same look that Alydar kept showing(I can do this...let me try next time..I am almost there.....I'm close.) He isn't good enough............SUCKER HORSE...............IF ever there was a SUCKER horse,it is this one.

Looked like AGS would have won with added distance, Are you saying you knew the race had to be longer to see him win? By the way, who at this stage is better than AGS, besides SS by a poohair!! Six weeks to go amigo, horseys still have room to improve!!

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Well another classic thread, almost as many laughs as the other thread. I would love to see a horse racing show with PG1985 touting his picks, knowledge of breeding and just basic knowledge. Combing that with KYRoses eye and you have a dynomite show. Please,please someone make this happen.

PG'85: "Well as you can see here Horse A is the greatest horse to ever live. In fact he is probably the greatest 4-legged creature in the history of this planet. Or probably any planet."
KRIM: "Well that is all certainly true, but he is probably sore. He may win 4000 G1s, but from what I've seen on TV, he is sore for sure."
PG'85: "That's it! I am never speaking at one of these seminars again ever!"
KRIM: "I knew he would have a short career."
PG'85: "I'm back."
KRIM: "I knew you would be."

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

well any given saturday had everything going for him, race over the track, dead fit, connections that are on fire, everything going for him and still did not beat street sense, who's trainer said this is a prep if he runs a good closing second we'd be happy

He lost by a head bob while running significantly wider. How did he have everything going for him? Using the trainer's pre-race excuse in case his horse got beat is an absolutely silly justification that Street Sense wasn't fit. It was the first race off the layoff so was the best chance for AGS to beat him but SS got a much better trip which offset that. In the end there was virtually nothing separating the two. Street Sense and Any Given Saturday are the only two 3yos out there with two triple digit Beyers at this point. Only Nobiz Like Shobiz has a better 3rd best Beyer than AGS (by one point). To dismiss him off this race is borderline insane.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

He lost by a head bob while running significantly wider. How did he have everything going for him? Using the trainer's pre-race excuse in case his horse got beat is an absolutely silly justification that Street Sense wasn't fit. It was the first race off the layoff so was the best chance for AGS to beat him but SS got a much better trip which offset that. In the end there was virtually nothing separating the two. Street Sense and Any Given Saturday are the only two 3yos out there with two triple digit Beyers at this point. Only Nobiz Like Shobiz has a better 3rd best Beyer than AGS (by one point). To dismiss him off this race is borderline insane.

Call me insane,but I am dismissing him as far as winning the Derby goes.I won't be surprised if he runs a close 2nd,but he will not be 1st.Somebody will beat him.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Call me insane,but I am dismissing him as far as winning the Derby goes.I won't be surprised if he runs a close 2nd,but he will not be 1st.Somebody will beat him.

OK, well I can't call someone saying a horse might run a close 2nd in the Derby to be dismissing him. It will be a 20 horse field that hasn't even been drawn yet so suggesting a horse won't do better than a close 2nd is hardly putting your neck on the chopping block. You can't call a horse second tier that you think will be right there at the wire in the Stampede sponsored by Yum Brands.

I'm boxing all of Pletcher's horses. I have a feeling they'll run great on Derby day.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I'm boxing all of Pletcher's horses. I have a feeling they'll run great on Derby day.

A ten horse box isn't going to be the cheapest way to go.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I'm boxing all of Pletcher's horses. I have a feeling they'll run great on Derby day.

I have a feeling he wins the derby this year.

[reese]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Call me insane,but I am dismissing him as far as winning the Derby goes.I won't be surprised if he runs a close 2nd,but he will not be 1st.Somebody will beat him.

Gee, THAT is some prognostication considering that the Derby is a 15 -20 horse field