Any Given Saturday

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He isn't good enough.He is good,but there is no doubt in my mind that he is not good enough.People are gunna look for excuses for him,but he has twice lost a fair fight.........2nd-3rd-4th-5th.....Got a little Arabian Head, too.

i totally agree with him, i talked up street sense for weeks before this past saturday and alot of ppl were saying any given saturday would beat him, well he had every chance to beat him and alot more going for him, and he still did not beat him, scuds is correct he's just not good enough, he is a second tier horse i feel very strongly about that, and i felt that way before the tampa bay derby

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i totally agree with him, i talked up street sense for weeks before this past saturday and alot of ppl were saying any given saturday would beat him, well he had every chance to beat him and alot more going for him, and he still did not beat him, scuds is correct he's just not good enough, he is a second tier horse i feel very strongly about that, and i felt that way before the tampa bay derby

How is he second tier by losing to the top of his class by a head bob?

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

How is he second tier by losing to the top of his class by a head bob?

he dosent win, thats how.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

he dosent win, thats how.

Do you honestly think the horse had any clue whether or not he won the photo? One foot later and his head bobbed in front. The horse had no clue whether or not he won. He is also 3 for 5 which makes your "he doesn't win" comment completely ridiculous.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Do you honestly think the horse had any clue whether or not he won the photo? One foot later and his head bobbed in front. The horse had no clue whether or not he won. He is also 3 for 5 which makes your "he doesn't win" comment completely ridiculous.

well any given saturday had everything going for him, race over the track, dead fit, connections that are on fire, everything going for him and still did not beat street sense, who's trainer said this is a prep if he runs a good closing second we'd be happy

[blackthroatedwind]

Let me get this straight, Any Given Saturday lost by about six inches on Saturday to the current favorite for the Derby and he now " isn't good enough "? That kind of logic allowed Easy Goer to be 8:5 to Sunday Silence's 2:5 in the Belmont Stakes after the head bob in the Preakness. Unless one horse had real trouble in a race, and both Any Given Saturday and Street Sense had perfect trips, decisions this close are pretty much ties as far as handicapping is concerned unless one horse has PROVEN to have a disinterest in winning.

Both of Any Given Saturday's losses have been very close decisions to the two horses that many considered the leaders of this crop. How he isn't a MAJOR contender at this point is beyond me. I would bet money that Todd Pletcher considers him his best Derby horse.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Let me get this straight, Any Given Saturday lost by about six inches on Saturday to the current favorite for the Derby and he now " isn't good enough "? That kind of logic allowed Easy Goer to be 8:5 to Sunday Silence's 2:5 in the Belmont Stakes after the head bob in the Preakness. Unless one horse had real trouble in a race, and both Any Given Saturday and Street Sense had perfect trips, decisions this close are pretty much ties as far as handicapping is concerned unless one horse has PROVEN to have a disinterest in winning.

Both of Any Given Saturday's losses have been very close decisions to the two horses that many considered the leaders of this crop. How he isn't a MAJOR contender at this point is beyond me. I would bet money that Todd Pletcher considers him his best Derby horse.

Your last line is exactly what hit me after watching the race, that most of America would probably bet Scat Daddy, Ravel, and Circular Quay before Any Given Saturday and in my mind he is clearly the best of Pletcher's bunch.

NT

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Let me get this straight, Any Given Saturday lost by about six inches on Saturday to the current favorite for the Derby and he now " isn't good enough "? That kind of logic allowed Easy Goer to be 8:5 to Sunday Silence's 2:5 in the Belmont Stakes after the head bob in the Preakness. Unless one horse had real trouble in a race, and both Any Given Saturday and Street Sense had perfect trips, decisions this close are pretty much ties as far as handicapping is concerned unless one horse has PROVEN to have a disinterest in winning.

Both of Any Given Saturday's losses have been very close decisions to the two horses that many considered the leaders of this crop. How he isn't a MAJOR contender at this point is beyond me. I would bet money that Todd Pletcher considers him his best Derby horse.

Been tested twice.Failed twice.Close ain't winning.All I can tell you is that what I saw Saturday was not new.I KNEW HE WAS GUNNA LEAVE IT SHORT.Same exact look he had in the race last year.Same look that Alydar kept showing(I can do this...let me try next time..I am almost there.....I'm close.) He isn't good enough............SUCKER HORSE...............IF ever there was a SUCKER horse,it is this one.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

well any given saturday had everything going for him, race over the track, dead fit, connections that are on fire, everything going for him and still did not beat street sense, who's trainer said this is a prep if he runs a good closing second we'd be happy

He lost by a head bob while running significantly wider. How did he have everything going for him? Using the trainer's pre-race excuse in case his horse got beat is an absolutely silly justification that Street Sense wasn't fit. It was the first race off the layoff so was the best chance for AGS to beat him but SS got a much better trip which offset that. In the end there was virtually nothing separating the two. Street Sense and Any Given Saturday are the only two 3yos out there with two triple digit Beyers at this point. Only Nobiz Like Shobiz has a better 3rd best Beyer than AGS (by one point). To dismiss him off this race is borderline insane.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

He lost by a head bob while running significantly wider. How did he have everything going for him? Using the trainer's pre-race excuse in case his horse got beat is an absolutely silly justification that Street Sense wasn't fit. It was the first race off the layoff so was the best chance for AGS to beat him but SS got a much better trip which offset that. In the end there was virtually nothing separating the two. Street Sense and Any Given Saturday are the only two 3yos out there with two triple digit Beyers at this point. Only Nobiz Like Shobiz has a better 3rd best Beyer than AGS (by one point). To dismiss him off this race is borderline insane.

Call me insane,but I am dismissing him as far as winning the Derby goes.I won't be surprised if he runs a close 2nd,but he will not be 1st.Somebody will beat him.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

He lost by a head bob while running significantly wider. How did he have everything going for him? Using the trainer's pre-race excuse in case his horse got beat is an absolutely silly justification that Street Sense wasn't fit. It was the first race off the layoff so was the best chance for AGS to beat him but SS got a much better trip which offset that. In the end there was virtually nothing separating the two. Street Sense and Any Given Saturday are the only two 3yos out there with two triple digit Beyers at this point. Only Nobiz Like Shobiz has a better 3rd best Beyer than AGS (by one point). To dismiss him off this race is borderline insane.

im not dismissing him off this race, i never thought he could win the derby, even before this race i thought he was solid but not good enough and i still feel the same way he's a good second tier horse, and i'd be shocked if he won the bluegrass or kentucky derby

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

well any given saturday had everything going for him, race over the track, dead fit, connections that are on fire, everything going for him and still did not beat street sense, who's trainer said this is a prep if he runs a good closing second we'd be happy

DITTO..Should have won this race.I don't see the improvement needed.He is a bit short of the best.Not much(but enough.)Amazing how the horse is dead honest (right in front of you,) and you think he is kid'n.He isn't kid'n...He is giving it all,and he is short of the best.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

DITTO..Should have won this race.I don't see the improvement needed.He is a bit short of the best.Not much(but enough.)Amazing how the horse is dead honest (right in front of you,) and you think he is kid'n.He isn't kid'n...He is giving it all,and he is short of the best.

LOL

I hope more people are thinking like you... it will drive up his odds on the first Saturday in May.

[hockey2315]

Saying AGS is second tier because he barely lost twice to great horses makes no sense. . . He BARELY lost to Street Sense and probably ran a few extra lengths than him and he also barely lost to Tiz Wonderful who would be a top derby prospect if he was healthy. . . This horse loves the poly and I would not be suprised if he wins the Bluegrass. . . He'll also love the mile and a quarter in the derby if he gets in

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Wouldn't surprise me if he barely loses anything.Will surprise me if he wins the Derby.Won't surprise me if he fights hard in the Derby,and loses by a little bit.HE ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Saying AGS is second tier because he barely lost twice to great horses makes no sense. . . He BARELY lost to Street Sense and probably ran a few extra lengths than him and he also barely lost to Tiz Wonderful who would be a top derby prospect if he was healthy. . . This horse loves the poly and I would not be suprised if he wins the Bluegrass. . . He'll also love the mile and a quarter in the derby if he gets in

he will not win the bluegrass, i dont even need to know whos coming, i read great hunter is coming to the bluegrass there is no way he beats him, and if street sense runs in the bluegrass then your talking 3rd at best