Top 5 Derby horses at this point

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

4. Any Given Saturday (I didn't like his action in the Tampa Bay Derby; he barely made my list)

What didn't you like about his action? He ran a very good race and literally got beaten by a head bob. He was also closer to the pace than Street Sense was. Just curious...

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

What didn't you like about his action? He ran a very good race and literally got beaten by a head bob. He was also closer to the pace than Street Sense was. Just curious...

The way that he moved...It wasn't pretty. He's a good horse though so we will see...

Street Sense also does not move as pretty as he did before the BC Juvy either.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

The way that he moved...It wasn't pretty. He's a good horse though so we will see...

Street Sense also does not move as pretty as he did before the BC Juvy either.

Hmm... I couldn't disagree more. Did you hear this from Joel?

I was there and didn't see anything wrong with the way either one of them moved (and I'm a picky biatch.)

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Hmm... I couldn't disagree more. Did you hear this from Joel?

I was there and didn't see anything wrong with the way either one of them moved (and I'm a picky biatch.)

I haven't talked to Joel for a long time. It's been a month or more. Both horses aren't nearly as pretty moving as they were as two year olds. You can pick stuff like this out if you know what you are looking for. Both looked sore to me, especially Street Sense. He doesn't even look like the same horse because he hits the ground so quick now. Any Given Saturday also hits the ground a little quicker than he did as a two year old. He was much more fluid as a younger horse.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I haven't talked to Joel for a long time. It's been a month or more. Both horses aren't nearly as pretty moving as they were as two year olds. You can pick stuff like this out if you know what you are looking for. Both looked sore to me, especially Street Sense. He doesn't even look like the same horse because he hits the ground so quick now. Any Given Saturday also hits the ground a little quicker than he did as a two year old. He was much more fluid as a younger horse.

LMFAO...

We were in the paddock right in front of both of them and NEITHER one looked sore in the slightest bit.

I was just curious if you'd heard this from Joel because I know he was there on Saturday, and I was curious as to how you were so certain both horses were sore since you weren't there. I thought maybe he had seen something and told you.

I also have a pretty good eye for sore horses (although I'm no expert on thoroughbreds) and if there had been something that stood out, I probably would have noticed.

[ArlJim78]

Keep it coming people. The inside information and predictions being put up on this thread is absolutely priceless. This is one for the archives I'm sure.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Keep it coming people. The inside information and predictions being put up on this thread is absolutely priceless. This is one for the archives I'm sure.

I have no predictions and no inside info... I was just stating what I thought about those two horses. I am definitely no expert and have no desire to proclaim to be one, but IMO, neither colt looked sore.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Keep it coming people. The inside information and predictions being put up on this thread is absolutely priceless. This is one for the archives I'm sure.

I second this. There is some GREAT stuff in this thread.

In case the newest board genius cares, one of the major differences between very good horses and the general mediocrities is the good ones run through their myriad of physical difficulties. The newest expert, who reguritates whatever information her latest infatuation dispells, and is apparantly so good at identifying physical issues she can supposedly do it while watching TV, has virtually locked up the Street Sense - Any Given Saturday exacta in early May.

For THAT, and the laughs, I thank you.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

LMFAO...

We were in the paddock right in front of both of them and NEITHER one looked sore in the slightest bit.

I was just curious if you'd heard this from Joel because I know he was there on Saturday, and I was curious as to how you were so certain both horses were sore since you weren't there. I thought maybe he had seen something and told you.

I also have a pretty good eye for sore horses (although I'm no expert on thoroughbreds) and if there had been something that stood out, I probably would have noticed.

Not all horses who are sore will walk sore. Bute hides a lot of things. Sometimes it requires a jog, a canter, or even a gallop to pick it out, or a good feel of the legs.

That's why the people that I am associated with feel the horse's legs at the two year old sales. They can't tell everything by watching them walk or just by looking at their legs. We saw some that walked sore at a recent sale while we were pulling them out and looking at them, and some of the others who didn't walk sore had something majorly wrong with them like a bad tendon or suspensory when their legs were felt upon.

Street Sense definitely does not move as pretty as he did as a two year old, and I have never been a fan of the way Any Given Saturday moves, but it is not as fluid as it was when he was a two year old.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Not all horses who are sore will walk sore. Bute hides a lot of things. Sometimes it requires a jog, a canter, or even a gallop to pick it out, or a good feel of the legs.

That's why the people that I am associated with feel the horse's legs at the two year old sales. They can't tell everything by watching them walk or just by looking at their legs. We saw some that walked sore at a recent sale while we were pulling them out and looking at them, and some of the others who didn't walk sore had something majorly wrong with them like a bad tendon or suspensory when their legs were felt upon.

Street Sense definitely does not move as pretty as he did as a two year old, and I have never been a fan of the way Any Given Saturday moves, but it is not as fluid as it was when he was a two year old.

Well obviously, Jessica... I'm not a complete idiot. How about this... as the two of them were coming around the far turn and thundering down the stretch, neither one of them looked sore or appeared to be hitting the ground any harder than the rest of the field and the rest of the horses that ran all day at Tampa. In fact, the only horse that was even in the same ball park as those two in the warm-up was that grey gelding, Delightful Kiss (who finished 3rd, no surprise there.)

Have you seen these horses in the flesh? Are you willing to admit that you can't tell a lot without having been around them?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Not all horses who are sore will walk sore. Bute hides a lot of things. Sometimes it requires a jog, a canter, or even a gallop to pick it out, or a good feel of the legs.

That's why the people that I am associated with feel the horse's legs at the two year old sales. They can't tell everything by watching them walk or just by looking at their legs. We saw some that walked sore at a recent sale while we were pulling them out and looking at them, and some of the others who didn't walk sore had something majorly wrong with them like a bad tendon or suspensory when their legs were felt upon.

Street Sense definitely does not move as pretty as he did as a two year old, and I have never been a fan of the way Any Given Saturday moves, but it is not as fluid as it was when he was a two year old.

I always thought that if I was an expert horse person like yourself, that I could use that knowledge to predict how a horse would run on a given day. Now I'm realizing that it is a complete waste of time.

Any Given Saturday ran his best race to date. Street Sense ran not as good as his juvenile race but NO ONE expected that he would repeat that effort first off the layoff so his performance is perfectly in line with his previous high standards. They both achieved very nice 101 beyers and equaled the track record. And all this was done while they were sore and did not have the pretty strides that they had last year. I'm also kinda shocked that two training icons could have done such a poor job not maintaining the horses pretty two year old stride, and allowing plainly obvious sore horses to compete.

The whole thing is quite perplexing, why wouldn't the soreness and lack of stride fluidity show up in the actual performance?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

What didn't you like about his action? He ran a very good race and literally got beaten by a head bob. He was also closer to the pace than Street Sense was. Just curious...

Twice now that he has lost the bob of the head.F'N Alydar I don't need.Lost twice now on him,and that will not happen again.