Street Sense Number

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Thanks for the correct terminology red ransom. That's good stuff.

I probably should have also said that many outfits, in fact, do use ace bandages for extra support, like Patrick Biancone for example. Real Aces, too, not the cheap generic ones. My best friend, Tom, groomed Lion Heart for a year (from when he came into the barn as a 2yo until after the Preakness) and used to roll Aces every night he crashed on my sofa looking for a night away from hovering over Lion Heart.

[outofthebox]

I dont know of any race track that allows horses running in races with polos, or did someone mention that already. Years ago in California we would use gelo casts under vet wrap or aces in the aide of more support. Well after a few trainers claimed these horses wearing the casts underneath the wraps, they complained to the racing board and it wasn't long before the rule of only vet wrap or similar designed products, and ace bandages were allowed for racing purposes..

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by outofthebox

I dont know of any race track that allows horses running in races with polos, or did someone mention that already. Years ago in California we would use gelo casts under vet wrap or aces in the aide of more support. Well after a few trainers claimed these horses wearing the casts underneath the wraps, they complained to the racing board and it wasn't long before the rule of only vet wrap or similar designed products, and ace bandages were allowed for racing purposes..

Thanks for the info...

It was my mistake in assuming they were talking about polo wraps.

Originally Posted by outofthebox

I dont know of any race track that allows horses running in races with polos, or did someone mention that already. Years ago in California we would use gelo casts under vet wrap or aces in the aide of more support. Well after a few trainers claimed these horses wearing the casts underneath the wraps, they complained to the racing board and it wasn't long before the rule of only vet wrap or similar designed products, and ace bandages were allowed for racing purposes..

Good catch on the gelo thing...

No polos for racing, that's still the same, but some still use gelos under vetwrap and aces (the latter for training only as I think vetwrap is the only approved bandage on raceday.) Truth be told, they don't check close enough before races to notice if a horse has a gelo under the vetwrap. Me personally, I've never worked for anyone who's used gelo under vetwrap, thank goodness, but lots of my pals have...

[Pointg5]

I don't care what they wrap him with, unless it's bubble wrap and they put away him until he is a 4yo...I would love to be wrong, because if he can get back to that number, he likely wins the Derby, but I think it's too much...

[randallscott35]

I'll Bump This So People Understand My Justification

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Thorograph has their numbers posted for the entire card on Saturday. I encourage you to take a look at it.

One number jumped out. A Negative 2 by Street Sense in the juvenile even while being checked on the turn in the race.

I will go on record as saying this horse will not run a negative number in his entire 3 yr old year and very likely not again in his career. I am no fan of numbers like that this early. Mind you also that front wraps were added for this start as well. The ultimate squeeze the lemon scenario and I think he is finished. He is a bet against from here on out.

Well equalling a track record and winning right back after a long layoff I think is a fairly strong indication he's not finished yet. I don't know if that number will come back negative, but he certainly still looks capable of it.

It would take some kind of injury for him to not make it to the Derby starting gate and most likely he will be the morning line derby favorite.

[mclem10011]

Should be strong, would not suprise me to see him ML fav, still a few preps to go though.

Please take it easy on Randall.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by mclem10011

Should be strong, would not suprise me to see him ML fav, still a few preps to go though.

Well Randall's bold prediction was that Street Sense was finished, a bet against, would not start in the derby, would not ever win another GR1, and would never run a negative number again.

Yes there is still aways to go but I don't know how he doesn't make it to the derby.

[magic_idol]

I take it street sense won ?

[randallscott35]

Would this be bumped had he lost by a nose? If he ran up the track? I highly doubt it.

I'll stick to my call. He ran better than I thought he would today but with that trip he should win. Mind you the worst he could've been in this field had he run a nothing Beyer was second b/c the group was dreadful aside from Any Given....But, Was this a Grade 1? Nope, was that a negative number. Not a chance. The best number Any Given had run was a 2. Street Sense maybe ran a 2 with that ground saving trip. Came back in fronts which he shouldn't be needing....Still don't think he'll make the Derby, nor run a negative his 3 yr old season, nor win a Grade 1 the rest of his career....Let's wait to throw dirt on me until he does. K.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by magic_idol

I take it street sense won ?

yes he did...by a nose

[magic_idol]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

yes he did...by a nose

Thank you

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Would this be bumped had he lost by a nose? If he ran up the track? I highly doubt it.

You bumped it yourself the other day to help me to understand why he is finished.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

You bumped it yourself the other day to help me to understand why he is finished.

I stand by it. He beat 1 horse today and ran better than I thought he would. That number as a two year old was the best ever for any juvenille winner. If he is the second coming of Secretariat he will show it.

And the sad thing is, I wasn't rooting against him in the least. Not at all. I think it would be great if a juvy winner could win the Derby....But if you follow Thoros and believe in them the call made sense. Nothing I saw today changes that.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I stand by it. He beat 1 horse today and ran better than I thought he would. That number as a two year old was the best ever for any juvenille winner. If he is the second coming of Secretariat he will show it.

And the sad thing is, I wasn't rooting against him in the least. Not at all. I think it would be great if a juvy winner could win the Derby....But if you follow Thoros and believe in them the call made sense. Nothing I saw today changes that.

Whoa!!! I never said he was the second coming of Secretariat.
I never said he will win the derby.

My only point was and still is that your call was not a good one since it was based primarily on a number and ignored some of the other circumstances.

I use thoro numbers too, but I do not use them in a such a mechanical way, I'm not a Thoro-lemming. For example; If horse A runs a neg 2 at two years old then X,Y, and Z outcomes are a certainty.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

yes he did...by a nose

And set the track record at Tampa

[randallscott35]

LOL, the Tampa Bay Derby and I'm a thoro lemming. Jeez, why does anyone make a call on here...A nose, no less. Hope you bet him. A juicy 6/5 today.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

And set the track record at Tampa

As did Any Given Saturday. 20 claimers were 7 lengths off that pace. Same distance. Let's see the variant....Easy, if it was a negative number, I'm already wrong and will happily admit it.