Baffert Fined

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

You all obviously ignored my post on how some law enforcement officers can be. I am right. If anything, I can say that I know what I am talking about in this department. I am not saying that this is what happened in this particular situation, but it could of been. Of course the media ONLY made Baffert look bad because heaven forbid, they should make ex-cops look bad. You can't trust the media. There is a lot more to this story than the media released.

there's bad in every line of work, ky. and of course you wouldn't be the least biased on this particular subject, right? because you had a bad experience, i suppose everyone has or will....
prisons are filled with the innocent, just go ask them. all of them.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

there's bad in every line of work, ky. and of course you wouldn't be the least biased on this particular subject, right? because you had a bad experience, i suppose everyone has or will....
prisons are filled with the innocent, just go ask them. all of them.

No, I am not biased. I have just seen both sides. The bad side and the good side. I didn't know about the bad side because I was once ignorant like you obviously are. I pretended that these things don't go on. I didn't want to acknowledge the flaws in our justice systems or in the government. Now, I can't pretend, and I am much more open-minded about these particular situations. Most people that are in prisons are guilty, but not every single last one of them is. Like I said, there are two sides to every story...

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

No, I am not biased. I have just seen both sides. The bad side and the good side. I didn't know about the bad side because I was once ignorant like you obviously are. I pretended that these things don't go on. I didn't want to acknowledge the flaws in our justice systems or in the government. Now, I can't pretend, and I am much more open-minded about these particular situations. Most people that are in prisons are guilty, but not every single last one of them is. Like I said, there are two sides to every story...

Haha, I assure you that calling me ignorant for asking how you were "sure" that there was more to this story is an improper response.

Just because you feel that you are so "in the know" about the world of law-enforcement, doesn't mean that you know any more about this particular situation than was included in the media releases.

You made this statement. "There is a lot more to this story than the media released."

My question was, "How in the hell do you know that there is more to this story? Were you there?"

Your response is that I am ignorant?

You obviously weren't there, and your assumption that the security was obviously in the wrong is due to your biased view and not to the facts of what happened on that day.

If it comes out that the security guards were totally in the wrong, etc... Then so be it.

But you can't make a blanket statement that you are "sure" of something just because you had some bad experience with law-enforcement. If you are the same person that made all of the posts about the car-ramming incident at the other board, then it all makes sense now.

Those posts about the car-ramming were whining in its highest form.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by moodwalker

Haha, I assure you that calling me ignorant for asking how you were "sure" that there was more to this story is an improper response.

Just because you feel that you are so "in the know" about the world of law-enforcement, doesn't mean that you know any more about this particular situation than was included in the media releases.

You made this statement. "There is a lot more to this story than the media released."

My question was, "How in the hell do you know that there is more to this story? Were you there?"

Your response is that I am ignorant?

You obviously weren't there, and your assumption that the security was obviously in the wrong is due to your biased view and not to the facts of what happened on that day.

If it comes out that the security guards were totally in the wrong, etc... Then so be it.

But you can't make a blanket statement that you are "sure" of something just because you had some bad experience with law-enforcement. If you are the same person that made all of the posts about the car-ramming incident at the other board, then it all makes sense now.

Those posts about the car-ramming were whining in its highest form.

I did not say that the security guards were definitely in the wrong. I just say that they too MAY have been in the wrong. There is a big difference. Go back and read my posts more carefully. We will never know because none of us were actually there and the media quite often gets these things wrong.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

No, I am not biased. I have just seen both sides. The bad side and the good side. I didn't know about the bad side because I was once ignorant like you obviously are. I pretended that these things don't go on. I didn't want to acknowledge the flaws in our justice systems or in the government. Now, I can't pretend, and I am much more open-minded about these particular situations. Most people that are in prisons are guilty, but not every single last one of them is. Like I said, there are two sides to every story...

i am obviously ignorant?? lol

my father was a cop for 20 years in washington dc, one of the biggest cesspools of humanity you'd ever see. i know damn well there's a bad side, but i also know that just like everywhere, the good far outweighs the bad.
and yes, you are biased-all i've ever seen you post was the negative, due to your own issues with the police.

oh, and btw. i'm 38, my hubby is 41. never have had a run in with the law, other than a speeding ticket. probably because we don't put ourselves in situations that would require their presence.
now, i try quite often to not get too much of an attitude with anyone, i think most of the time you come across very well. BUT, don't get condescending with me, and i will return the favor.

[Danzig]

and i've read past the thread that i responded to. perhaps cooler heads will prevail on all sides.

at any rate, no one should paint all members of a group with one brush.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

i am obviously ignorant?? lol

my father was a cop for 20 years in washington dc, one of the biggest cesspools of humanity you'd ever see. i know damn well there's a bad side, but i also know that just like everywhere, the good far outweighs the bad.
and yes, you are biased-all i've ever seen you post was the negative, due to your own issues with the police.

oh, and btw. i'm 38, my hubby is 41. never have had a run in with the law, other than a speeding ticket. probably because we don't put ourselves in situations that would require their presence.
now, i try quite often to not get too much of an attitude with anyone, i think most of the time you come across very well. BUT, don't get condescending with me, and i will return the favor.

Well, if you read my posts thoroughly, you would have realized that I don't post negatively about this subject. I post positively about most police officers. I am not biased. Either you are misinterpreting my posts or you aren't reading them carefully. By the way, I have never even gotten a speeding ticket before, and I have never gotten in any trouble with the law, and I never will. I am a very, very law abiding citizen. More so than most people, and more so obviously than you because I don't speed. So don't lecture me about putting myself in those situations because I never have. You also act as if you could never accidently get in trouble either. You could be driving down the road on an early foggy morning, hit someone that was walking and kill them, and get charged with involuntary manslaughter. You could develop a psychological disorder overnight and ram a cop car tomorrow. You could get charged with murder even though you know nothing about a situation or were never associated with it.

Furthermore, my father was a cop also...oh, well if you would have read my posts then you would know this already. And you are right in the fact that the good definitely outweighs the bad. I just don't like the fact that people say that I am biased just because I acknowledge that there is some bad in this profession as there is in any other profession just because someone that I know got in trouble. It was more of your attitude towards me in the beginning that made me get condescending.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

there's bad in every line of work, ky. and of course you wouldn't be the least biased on this particular subject, right? because you had a bad experience, i suppose everyone has or will....
prisons are filled with the innocent, just go ask them. all of them.

I messed up my post. Sorry.

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

No, I am not biased. I have just seen both sides. The bad side and the good side. I didn't know about the bad side because I was once ignorant like you obviously are. I pretended that these things don't go on. I didn't want to acknowledge the flaws in our justice systems or in the government. Now, I can't pretend, and I am much more open-minded about these particular situations. Most people that are in prisons are guilty, but not every single last one of them is. Like I said, there are two sides to every story...

Do you guys realize how few policeman at a local level have college educations? State police tend to be educated more often than not and once you get to a federal level they are all educated well. But local yokel barney Fifes are about as bright as a 5 watt bulb.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Do you guys realize how few policeman at a local level have college educations? State police tend to be educated more often than not and once you get to a federal level they are all educated well. But local yokel barney Fifes are about as bright as a 5 watt bulb.

Mike,
It's not so much that you need a college education to be a good police officer, but so many guys cross that fine line between assertive and aggressive...the macho aspects can overcome compassion, reason and ability to understand at times. A cop has to be many things...he/she must be tough and physically skilled when need be, he/she must react quickly at times and make critical decisions with very little to go on...but he/she must be able to take a step back and analyze situations, show restraint and compassion...sometimes even turn a "blind-eye" to some things. There are manuals and SOP's to follow but no real absolutes on the street. It's one of the toughest jobs in the world and certainly among the least appreciated...

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Mike,
It's not so much that you need a college education to be a good police officer, but so many guys cross that fine line between assertive and aggressive...the macho aspects can overcome compassion, reason and ability to understand at times. A cop has to be many things...he/she must be tough and physically skilled when need be, he/she must react quickly at times and make critical decisions with very little to go on...but he/she must be able to take a step back and analyze situations, show restraint and compassion...sometimes even turn a "blind-eye" to some things. There are manuals and SOP's to follow but no real absolutes on the street. It's one of the toughest jobs in the world and certainly among the least appreciated...

Yes, that is very good. Good police officers should be VERY appreciated. These guys put their lives on the line, and most of them follow the rules very ardently and are very compassionate people. It probably is quite easy to get aggressive when you are facing adverse situations every day in which a split decision could mean life or death.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Mike,
It's not so much that you need a college education to be a good police officer, but so many guys cross that fine line between assertive and aggressive...the macho aspects can overcome compassion, reason and ability to understand at times. A cop has to be many things...he/she must be tough and physically skilled when need be, he/she must react quickly at times and make critical decisions with very little to go on...but he/she must be able to take a step back and analyze situations, show restraint and compassion...sometimes even turn a "blind-eye" to some things. There are manuals and SOP's to follow but no real absolutes on the street. It's one of the toughest jobs in the world and certainly among the least appreciated...

To get a job as a cop around here, you have to have a college education now....

[Scurlogue Champ]

I think you only have to have a GED to be a cop here.

Isn't that awesome???? rednecks...

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by moodwalker

I think you only have to have a GED to be a cop here.

Isn't that awesome???? rednecks...

Again...a college education doesn't translate into ability to be a good police officer. Education is good for basically one thing...it teaches you (or it should, in some folks case it failed) to be able to think for yourself! Anything else you can learn by reading the instruction manual! Bottom line, you either spend your life staring at the shadows cast on the cave wall or you turn and walk past the fire and into the real world...to be a good cop, you need to live in the real world!

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

there's bad in every line of work, ky. and of course you wouldn't be the least biased on this particular subject, right? because you had a bad experience, i suppose everyone has or will....
prisons are filled with the innocent, just go ask them. all of them.

See what I mean...you were condescending to me first in saying that I was biased. Believe what you want to. I don't care. It is you who are obviously biased because your father used to be a cop. Like I said, my father used to be a cop, and my two uncles still are officers, and I tend to keep a very open mind to every situation. It also bothers me that you said that if I had ever been to a prison before that I would know that ALL of the prisoners would say that they are innocent when that is so far from the truth. It is you who have never been in a jail or prison. A whole lot of them do admit their mistakes. You obviously think that ALL people who go to prison are bad people and you are unforgiving towards them. Don't judge people before you have walked in their shoes. I would think that someone that was 20 years older than me would know this. I am done with this conversation because I am not comfortable talking about it anymore and you can obviously not carry on an intelligent conversation without attacking me and in trying to use a past bad experience that someone whom I am associated with had just to try to prove a point when it is your pattern of thinking which is flawed, not mine. I would rather talk about horse racing. You don't know me and you don't know the situation with someone that I am associated with. A lot of things have changed since I first posted about it and it is behind me. I have no need to worry with it anymore. It is over. Good day.

[Cajungator26]

I should be in jail for all of the speeding tickets I've gotten.

[LARHAGE]

I used to work at a tack store near Santa Anita, I worked in customer service. A couple of years ago Bob Baffert came in and purchased a large amount of supplies and was checking out at the Cashiers line. The cashier than called me and asked if I could hold the items in back, her customer had forgot his license and wallet. I came out front to help her and noticed it was Bob Baffert, I called her over to me and asked her ''are you kidding me? you don't know who he is?" I than called Bob over to me and told him I would set him up with an account, that way he could send a check and be billed for purchases, as well as receieve a Trainers discount and have his assistants come and purchase supplies for him. He was so grateful and relieved ,we ended up chatting about his horses, and he asked if I could recommend a bit for a new pony horse he bought. I put a real nice set together to match the nice pony horse and he left real happy. I was really grateful when he returned a few weeks later, paid his account in full and gave the store autographed photos of Silver Charm and Real Quiet. I found him to be a really neat guy, great sense of humor and very down to earth.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I used to work at a tack store near Santa Anita, I worked in customer service. A couple of years ago Bob Baffert came in and purchased a large amount of supplies and was checking out at the Cashiers line. The cashier than called me and asked if I could hold the items in back, her customer had forgot his license and wallet. I came out front to help her and noticed it was Bob Baffert, I called her over to me and asked her ''are you kidding me? you don't know who he is?" I than called Bob over to me and told him I would set him up with an account, that way he could send a check and be billed for purchases, as well as receieve a Trainers discount and have his assistants come and purchase supplies for him. He was so grateful and relieved ,we ended up chatting about his horses, and he asked if I could recommend a bit for a new pony horse he bought. I put a real nice set together to match the nice pony horse and he left real happy. I was really grateful when he returned a few weeks later, paid his account in full and gave the store autographed photos of Silver Charm and Real Quiet. I found him to be a really neat guy, great sense of humor and very down to earth.

Thanks for sharing that story. It's good to see some positive stories.

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I used to work at a tack store near Santa Anita, I worked in customer service. A couple of years ago Bob Baffert came in and purchased a large amount of supplies and was checking out at the Cashiers line. The cashier than called me and asked if I could hold the items in back, her customer had forgot his license and wallet. I came out front to help her and noticed it was Bob Baffert, I called her over to me and asked her ''are you kidding me? you don't know who he is?" I than called Bob over to me and told him I would set him up with an account, that way he could send a check and be billed for purchases, as well as receieve a Trainers discount and have his assistants come and purchase supplies for him. He was so grateful and relieved ,we ended up chatting about his horses, and he asked if I could recommend a bit for a new pony horse he bought. I put a real nice set together to match the nice pony horse and he left real happy. I was really grateful when he returned a few weeks later, paid his account in full and gave the store autographed photos of Silver Charm and Real Quiet. I found him to be a really neat guy, great sense of humor and very down to earth.

Anyone who has ever had the pleasure of dealing with Bob will tell you the same thing, neat guy with a great sense of humor, extremely intelligent and VERY down to earth. Hes a great guy.
Thats why i find it VERY hard to believe that the incident was not precipitated by some improper comments or behavior by the other guy. Bob wouldn't do anything like that unless he was extremely provoked.