unwanted horses

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by AngelSita

It's a bogus article.

The premise is very shaky. I have not heard of any problems and they didn't exactly come up with the greatest sources of info.

[AngelSita]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The premise is very shaky. I have not heard of any problems and they didn't exactly come up with the greatest sources of info.

I hadn't heard of any problems either. To me it's obviously a pro-slaughter article to stir up trouble. And quite frankly I think they jumped the gun a bit as slaughter is still going on and horses are still being exported to Canada & Mexico for slaughter.

[LARHAGE]

I agree, the article is full of ****, I know we don't have a problem with stray, wandering, starving horses out here where it's been illegal to slaughter for a while, not to mention we have the second largest horse population behind Texas, who also doesn't seem to have this problem. I think the pathetic idiot lamenting the fact he can't feed all his horses should maybe quit breeding them. Horses are a luxury to own, they haven't been beasts of burden for decades. I can smell the bulls&%$* from here.

[Thoroughbred Fan]

How about a tax on horses sold at auction to be used to help take care of the unwanted horses?

I really think, with regard to thoroughbreds, the breeding/sales industry is way out of whack. There is never a reason to breed an unraced mare by a stallion who stands for less than $25k. Period. There is no reason to breed a mare who didn't win an allowance race and is by a stallion that stands for less than $5k. If the stallion farms were a bit stricter about the types of mares they accept, the number of foals would go way down. It is up to the racing industry to save itself.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

How about a tax on horses sold at auction to be used to help take care of the unwanted horses?

I really think, with regard to thoroughbreds, the breeding/sales industry is way out of whack. There is never a reason to breed an unraced mare by a stallion who stands for less than $25k. Period. There is no reason to breed a mare who didn't win an allowance race and is by a stallion that stands for less than $5k. If the stallion farms were a bit stricter about the types of mares they accept, the number of foals would go way down. It is up to the racing industry to save itself.

I don't necessarily agree with you... sometimes the best broodmares are those that didn't do squat on the track.

[Thoroughbred Fan]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I don't necessarily agree with you... sometimes the best broodmares are those that didn't do squat on the track.

I think the percentages would prove you to be completely incorrect. Yes, terrible no-race record, no-pedigree broodmares have produced good offspring, but how often? Your logic is very flawed and the reason why there are unwanted horses. People keep breeding horses who can not have a chance of "paying their way" and don't have anything to offer to the future of the breed.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

I think the percentages would prove you to be completely incorrect. Yes, terrible no-race record, no-pedigree broodmares have produced good offspring, but how often? Your logic is very flawed and the reason why there are unwanted horses. People keep breeding horses who can not have a chance of "paying their way" and don't have anything to offer to the future of the breed.

I see it differently because in my opinion, just because a stallion is less than 5k doesn't mean he's a piece of crap. Somethingroyal was obviously bred nice, but she didn't do anything on the track.

So in your mind, a foal by Storm Cat (for example) is going to "pay its way" because of its breeding? How many of those foals are actually going to win over 500k on the track to pay their way and pay for that stud fee?

[Danzig]

but unraced doesn't necessarily mean unraceable-or indicate lack of pedigree. one example is storm and a half -- unraced, for standing in arkansas, he's had a pretty good year. another case in point would be marylou whitney, she doesn't run many of her fillies, but she's got a heck of a broodmare band. also, cheap doesn't always mean bad, they can't all stand for high amounts. also, you would drive out many smaller operations with the types of rules you're suggesting, and smaller outfits can produce some good quality horses. most states who encourage horsemen and breeding don't have horses that stand for the sums you're tossing around. you'd have a few huge farms in kentucky that would continue to operate, but most breeding nationwide would be shut down if they had to follow those types of guidelines.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

How about a tax on horses sold at auction to be used to help take care of the unwanted horses?

I really think, with regard to thoroughbreds, the breeding/sales industry is way out of whack. There is never a reason to breed an unraced mare by a stallion who stands for less than $25k. Period. There is no reason to breed a mare who didn't win an allowance race and is by a stallion that stands for less than $5k. If the stallion farms were a bit stricter about the types of mares they accept, the number of foals would go way down. It is up to the racing industry to save itself.

More taxes never work