Sanjaya makes it again...???

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Somer I generally stay away from talking to you as I have never seen an episode of Buffy and can't stand Vampires so I figured the conversation might dry up after that. But don't you realize what Stern does is meant as entertainment. It's ridiculous to me that you find him as what is wrong with the country and world in general. Why because he makes some fart jokes and tries to find humor in things. It's his job. I don't recall what you are talking about in regards to going through someone's ashes and causing so much pain but I think you have him dead wrong and your comments remind me of the comment I hear for people that just don't get it.

Making fun of someones misfortune is not my cup of tea...I don't call that entertainment, I call it perverted, sad and malicious. You are right about one thing...I don't get it...I don't want to! Fart jokes don't bother me...making fun of people does. Why is it that after every tragic event (school shootings, 9-11, explosions etc) knuckleheads call into TV and radio stations with made-up stories (sometimes getting past screening and on the air) which end with the punchline of "Howard Stern did it" or something like that...always mentioning him! Stern makes money off the misery of others...to me he's the lowest form of human life. If you "get" him...well, that's your right just as it's my right to say what I do!!!

[ninetoone]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Making fun of someones misfortune is not my cup of tea...I don't call that entertainment, I call it perverted, sad and malicious. You are right about one thing...I don't get it...I don't want to! Fart jokes don't bother me...making fun of people does. Why is it that after every tragic event (school shootings, 9-11, explosions etc) knuckleheads call into TV and radio stations with made-up stories (sometimes getting past screening and on the air) which end with the punchline of "Howard Stern did it" or something like that...always mentioning him! Stern makes money off the misery of others...to me he's the lowest form of human life. If you "get" him...well, that's your right just as it's my right to say what I do!!!

This is what American Idol is all about for what...the first month or so?? Making fun of people! Do you guys tune out for the first month, or do you point and laugh at the William Hung's with the rest of us?? Please explain.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by ninetoone

This is what American Idol is all about for what...the first month or so?? Making fun of people! Do you guys tune out for the first month, or do you point and laugh at the William Hung's with the rest of us?? Please explain.

I can only speak for myself...I don't watch that show until the final 40. When I watched it in the past, I didn't care for certain aspects of the initial auditions so I no longer do! It's a bit like the talk shows where folks go on the air and talk about having an affair with their dog...I don't understand why a person with no talent subjects him/herself to critical review....the Andy Warhol 15 minutes of fame thing I guess. Hung seemed to have a good time doing what he did...I never took that as making fun of him rather him taking advantage of an opportunity and making a bit of money. I actually respect him for that...

[ninetoone]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I can only speak for myself...I don't watch that show until the final 40. When I watched it in the past, I didn't care for certain aspects of the initial auditions so I no longer do! It's a bit like the talk shows where folks go on the air and talk about having an affair with their dog...I don't understand why a person with no talent subjects him/herself to critical review....the Andy Warhol 15 minutes of fame thing I guess. Hung seemed to have a good time doing what he did...I never took that as making fun of him rather him taking advantage of an opportunity and making a bit of money. I actually respect him for that...

I think you are the exception & not the rule. Most people enjoy the bad contestants during the first month of the show, and Fox certainly capitalizes on that. Just look at all of the previews showing the train wrecks that people like to make fun of. Also reference the "worst of" Idol auditions, etc. Hung is probably a bad example because he was so funny. If you say you tune out for the first month when they make fun of people, than you are a better man than most I suppose. Do you read Playboy for the articles too?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by ninetoone

I think you are the exception & not the rule. Most people enjoy the bad contestants during the first month of the show, and Fox certainly capitalizes on that. Just look at all of the previews showing the train wrecks that people like to make fun of. Also reference the "worst of" Idol auditions, etc. Hung is probably a bad example because he was so funny. If you say you tune out for the first month when they make fun of people, than you are a better man than most I suppose. Do you read Playboy for the articles too?

No...I did read the articles after I looked at the pictures! As a feminist I guess I should be anti-Playboy but as a Wiccan I see no problem with nudity...and I like pretty women!To me, that isn't an intellectual debate...more on the level of "fire bad, tree pretty!"

[ninetoone]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

No...I did read the articles after I looked at the pictures! As a feminist I guess I should be anti-Playboy but as a Wiccan I see no problem with nudity...and I like pretty women!To me, that isn't an intellectual debate...more on the level of "fire bad, tree pretty!"

That was a joke, not meant to be taken literally. I was poking fun at your claim of not watching the show until the final 40. Not saying it couldn't be true, but it amounts to about the same amount of people who "claim" to read Playboy for the articles. Like I said, I guess you're the exception to the rule.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by ninetoone

That was a joke, not meant to be taken literally. I was poking fun at your claim of not watching the show until the final 40. Not saying it couldn't be true, but it amounts to about the same amount of people who "claim" to read Playboy for the articles. Like I said, I guess you're the exception to the rule.

I know...it's an old joke but I couldn't resist answering! America has real issues with sex and nudity...Europe is a bit more open. I don't think there is anything on earth more beautiful than the female body so I had to answer!

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Honestly man the soapbox routine is getting old. So because people call up CNN or whatever and make a joke, however crude it may be and then mention his name he is somehow responsible? Stern makes money because he is funny and has surrounded himself with funny people. His show is very funny and entertaining. Which is what it is for. Entertainment. Pure and simple. I personally find what they do pretty funny because I can laugh at myself as well. It's all in good humor. Why does everything have to be so serious?
And what about Simon Cowell. He certainly seems to make his living from making fun of people. Doesn't seem to stop you from watching. Is he what is wrong with the world. I think a problem with the world is people don't laugh anymore. Everything is so PC and people walk around with a stick up their a$$es. Loosen up man.

You are doing exactly what I'm doing except you choose to focus on me rather than the issue. Simon is critical and can be rough on folks but he's honest. Are you seriously comparing someone giving someone's performance a bad review with the trash Stern does? I agree that people should laugh more and laughing at yourself is often good therapy...but that's not the same as making fun of other's misery! I see nothing amusing in the ashes of a suicide victim, the dead bodies of school kids or the horrors of 9-11...if that's what you call political correctness and a lack of sense of humor then so be it!

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I truly think you are missing the point. It's fine, we can agree to disagree. But Stern is very honest too. Which is why I like him. He doesn't pull any punches. And really we both know Simon does a lot more than give someone's performance a bad review. He has made remarks about weight,looks, etc.
And you know you are doing a serious job of twisting in regards to school kids and 9-11. I'll leave it at that.

I disagree! The person making the call is ultimately responsible for the act (free will) but why did he or she use Stern's name and not Oprah or some other public figure? Isn't it because Stern promulgates such behavior by his own? He reinforces such vile conduct through his own acts! Simon commenting that a person should lose weight if he/she wants the public to vote for him/her may be harsh but it is hardly the same as sitting on a TV show going through a dead girl's ashes and making vulgar comments. Making fun of folks with disabilities is cruel, but when a public figure does it...it reinforces that cruelness in those listening/watching! Is Stern responsible for acts of his "followers"? Was Hitler? I doubt he personally instructed each person involved how to kill and torture but it was done in his name, following his perverted philosophy...each individual shoulders responsibility for his/her acts but it's naive to say a public figure bears no responsibility! If you are really unaware of the event that I mention, go back to his earlier TV shows...I was actually a fan until the night he did that...I was sickened, revolted...just plain disgusted!

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm wasting my time, so I'm done. But comparing Hitler and Stern is beneath even you. It sounds like you haven't listened to him in a long time so you obviously are carrying around resentment for a long time. Relax, it'll be okay.

It amuses me how folks always lapse into personal attacks when they can't compete with logic and debate. It never fails...and all the usual suspects quickly respond in kind. The Hitler analogy is accurate...again that's what an analogy is...comparing unlike things/people/circumstances but with a commonality ingrained. Sorry to disappoint folks but I never get upset on-line. I've stated my view, I don't care if a few folks disagree...hell, I've been on the ESPN site for 10 years, called pretty much every name imaginable...bottom line: I think Stern is exactly what I've said...if he's your idol...enjoy!

Oh I get the analogy. So...Sanjaya asks for votes and the people vote for him...Sanjaya = Hitler. Ok.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Well I haven't attacked you personally at all. But the Hitler analogy is way off and it's not the first time you've used it. Maybe if you knew a bit about Stern and his family and where they come from you might realize why i am saying that.

Well, I really was responding more to a post that I see has been removed with my "attack" comments.
Webster defines "analogy" as "simularity in some respects between things otherwise unlike". I wonder sometimes if folks really understand the use of analogy in debate...I'm not saying Stern=Hitler, rather I'm comparing philosophical constructs involving the dynamics of human behavior. If a person listens to Stern and adopts a similar view of what constitutes "humor", then that is the same dynamic involved in someone adopting the same point of view as Hitler and acting based on same! Don't get hung up on degree...certainly Stern isn't responsible for slaughtering innocent people but the adaptation of mindsets is the commonality! Folks always seem to have trouble with this...this is a valid analogy the way I've used it!

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Well, I really was responding more to a post that I see has been removed with my "attack" comments.
Webster defines "analogy" as "simularity in some respects between things otherwise unlike". I wonder sometimes if folks really understand the use of analogy in debate...I'm not saying Stern=Hitler, rather I'm comparing philosophical constructs involving the dynamics of human behavior. If a person listens to Stern and adopts a similar view of what constitutes "humor", then that is the same dynamic involved in someone adopting the same point of view as Hitler and acting based on same! Don't get hung up on degree...certainly Stern isn't responsible for slaughtering innocent people but the adaptation of mindsets is the commonality! Folks always seem to have trouble with this...this is a valid analogy the way I've used it!

Somer,

With all due respect, when you're using Hitler in the same sentence with Stern, it just doesn't look right. I would bet my hard earned money (small amount that it is, haha) that Stern does NOT have the same mindset or point of view as Hitler.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Somer,

With all due respect, when you're using Hitler in the same sentence with Stern, it just doesn't look right. I would bet my hard earned money (small amount that it is, haha) that Stern does NOT have the same mindset or point of view as Hitler.

Again...this is an analogy!!! Folks get hung up on Stern=Hitler...I'm not saying that! My point is about the dynamics involved not the individuals.
Analogy
Analogy
Analogy!!
Good grief...lets try this:
People listen to Mr X
Mr X is a public figure with a loyal following
His fans are likely to adopt a similar mindset to that expressed by Mr X
That mindset is legitimized, to the fans, by Mr X's endorsement.
People listen to Mr Y
Mr Y is a public figure with a loyal following
His followers are likely to adopt a similar mindset to that expressed by Mr Y
That mindset is legitimized, to the followers, by Mr Y's endorsement.
Therein lies the analogy between the dynamics involved per Webster definition!

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm done. you seem like a very bored person who stands on his soapbox and casts spells and dispersions out at what you deem to be wrong. Calm down a bit. Life's not so bad. Maybe you need to get out a bit more and away from that TV. Might do you some good.
As for the analogy, you are still off in what you are trying to say. Stern isn't trying to convert anyone to his way of thinking, Hitler made you believe what his beliefs were or else. Stern does a show, trying to entertain and make the morning not so boring at work. you don't like it, don't listen. The way you are using it almost anything can be used in an analogy with Hitler. Now doesn't that seem foolish.

You say you don't get personal:
"bored person"
"casts spells"
Get out away from that TV"
Wow, I'm glad you don't feel the need to get personal!

[Cajungator26]

Tsk Tsk... you boys need to play nice.

I'm well aware of what an analogy is... poor example, though IMHO.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Well I was being honest. You do seem a bit bored. Just an opinion, not an attack. The other thing is a saying, is it not?

I spend maybe an hour or two a day watching TV usually...I don't cast spells. I do get bored at times but that's not why I post an opinion...I do so cause...well, it's my opinion...same, I suspect as why you do!

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Honestly man the soapbox routine is getting old. So because people call up CNN or whatever and make a joke, however crude it may be and then mention his name he is somehow responsible? Stern makes money because he is funny and has surrounded himself with funny people. His show is very funny and entertaining. Which is what it is for. Entertainment. Pure and simple. I personally find what they do pretty funny because I can laugh at myself as well. It's all in good humor. Why does everything have to be so serious?
And what about Simon Cowell. He certainly seems to make his living from making fun of people. Doesn't seem to stop you from watching. Is he what is wrong with the world. I think a problem with the world is people don't laugh anymore. Everything is so PC and people walk around with a stick up their a$$es. Loosen up man.

OMG Dahoss, you are my new hero.