"Inside" information & misguided public?

ArlJim78 · #1 03-12-2007, 10:21 AM

I personally can not believe that people on here feel that Andy has some duty to dole out his plays when he thinks there might be a nice one. I would have less repsect for him if he did that. You know what, he has had to work hard and I'm sure pay a price to be in a position to find these nice nuggets sometimes. Good for him. Do you really think that they come in all the time? Is that what you're looking for, to just sit back and wait for Andy to share some steam so that you can run to the windows and collect some easy money? When his plays don't pan out he pays the price for it, just like we all do. We sink or swim based on our own merits. Most of the plays being talked about are dynamic and involve some board watching so he may not even know about the play until minutes before post. Do you all expect him to come on and say I'm playing so and so first time starter really hard due to the heavy board action? What happen if that horse runs up the track? What would the comments be from you people? I can hear the ungrateful now, "Andy is a bum, he steered us wrong, he owes us" BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

For me I am much more interested in what he has been doing on this board which is to be generous with his thought process and methods and imparting to others what it has taken for him to get where he is, what dues you have to pay. I'm not looking for a gift, a tip, a handout. I want to learn how to improve my own ROI, how to be able to spot these types of situations on my own.

Sorry if it comes across as strident but frankly speaking do your own work, instead of looking for a handout.

paisjpq · #2 03-12-2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I personally can not believe that people on here feel that Andy has some duty to dole out his plays when he thinks there might be a nice one. I would have less repsect for him if he did that. You know what, he has had to work hard and I'm sure pay a price to be in a position to find these nice nuggets sometimes. Good for him. Do you really think that they come in all the time? Is that what you're looking for, to just sit back and wait for Andy to share some steam so that you can run to the windows and collect some easy money? When his plays don't pan out he pays the price for it, just like we all do. We sink or swim based on our own merits. Most of the plays being talked about are dynamic and involve some board watching so he may not even know about the play until minutes before post. Do you all expect him to come on and say I'm playing so and so first time starter really hard due to the heavy board action? What happen if that horse runs up the track? What would the comments be from you people? I can hear the ungrateful now, "Andy is a bum, he steered us wrong, he owes us" BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

For me I am much more interested in what he has been doing on this board which is to be generous with his thought process and methods and imparting to others what it has taken for him to get where he is, what dues you have to pay. I'm not looking for a gift, a tip, a handout. I want to learn how to improve my own ROI, how to be able to spot these types of situations on my own.

Sorry if it comes across as strident but frankly speaking do your own work, instead of looking for a handout.

very well put Jim...it seems like so many people play horses with as much care as they play the lottery or the slot machine, which is to say none. (maybe not people here but you know what i mean)
but then when they know someone can handicap they expect that person to dole out winner like answers to a standarized test...not understanding or caring that there isn't always a right answer to be found...they get mad when the tip they didn't pay for and didn't research isn't very good.
if andy never made another post on this board he will still have given out more good info and insight that most people share in a lifetime at the track

dellinger63 · #3 03-12-2007, 10:37 AM

Look some people in the business and or those who have developed friendships in the business are given what could be inside information in that a certain trainer and connections may know a horse is training well and looks ready for a big effort due to maybe an equipment change or getting over an injury/ medical problem etc. but no one can say he/she will win for sure.

When this info is passed along it's done as a favor or as quid pro quo for information the source will recieve back at a future time. I'm sure the source expects it to be held close to the vest and not broadcasted on a web site with a thousand members. BTW owes nobody on the board anything. It is up to him when and where to give insight and 'give a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats a lifetime.' Go back and listen to him on the archived saturday show and learn to fish a little.

Antitrust32 · #4 03-12-2007, 10:38 AM

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Go back and listen to him on the archived saturday show and learn to fish a little.

is he giving out fly fishing or salt water fishing tips?

dellinger63 · #5 03-12-2007, 10:41 AM

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is he giving out fly fishing or salt water fishing tips?

recipes

Antitrust32 · #6 03-12-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63

recipes

even better!

Holland Hacker · #7 03-12-2007, 11:39 AM

Thanks for all of the replies. I guess the take away for me is that work out times should be taken with a grain of salt, and not gospel. I will focus more on the work out pattern instead of the speed of the workouts. This should be helpful as more 3 YO make their debuts and the start of the 2 YO arrived later in the year.

I guess the fact that this happend in the third leg of the pick 4 is what really upset me. I guess I should have capitalized on the exacta and tri in the race itself. Oh well chalk it up to a valuable lesson learned.

With respect to Andy not giving out his picks here that is his choice. I know I have profited from his "gracious" comments and the back and forth we have had on some of the picks I have posted on this forum.

I guess my point is that I would rather of have done the handicapping myself and made some adjustments based on some of his or Steve's insights. That is afterall how I am going to learn and get better at this game. Not by betting someone elses picks blindly, not that I haven't done that. I think the learning process is what has drawn me in and kept me on this forum.

Hopefully some day I will be able to hadnicap half as well as either Steve and Andy do today.

Cajungator26 · #8 03-12-2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Holland Hacker

Thanks for all of the replies. I guess the take away for me is that work out times should be taken with a grain of salt, and not gospel. I will focus more on the work out pattern instead of the speed of the workouts. This should be helpful as more 3 YO make their debuts and the start of the 2 YO arrived later in the year.

I guess the fact that this happend in the third leg of the pick 4 is what really upset me. I guess I should have capitalized on the exacta and tri in the race itself. Oh well chalk it up to a valuable lesson learned.

With respect to Andy not giving out his picks here that is his choice. I know I have profited from his "gracious" comments and the back and forth we have had on some of the picks I have posted on this forum.

I guess my point is that I would rather of have done the handicapping myself and made some adjustments based on some of his or Steve's insights. That is afterall how I am going to learn and get better at this game. Not by betting someone elses picks blindly, not that I haven't done that. I think the learning process is what has drawn me in and kept me on this forum.

Hopefully some day I will be able to handicap half as well as either Steve and Andy do today.

I couldn't have said this any better myself. This is PRECISELY why I'm on this board as well. The bantering back and forth amongst members of this forum is priceless, and the knowledge one can learn just by reading is unbelievable.

Thoroughbred Fan · #9 03-12-2007, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63

Look some people in the business and or those who have developed friendships in the business are given what could be inside information in that a certain trainer and connections may know a horse is training well and looks ready for a big effort due to maybe an equipment change or getting over an injury/ medical problem etc. but no one can say he/she will win for sure.

When this info is passed along it's done as a favor or as quid pro quo for information the source will recieve back at a future time. I'm sure the source expects it to be held close to the vest and not broadcasted on a web site with a thousand members. BTW owes nobody on the board anything. It is up to him when and where to give insight and 'give a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats a lifetime.' Go back and listen to him on the archived saturday show and learn to fish a little.

You are missing the point. This was about as blatant a redboard as ever about a 35-1 shot. All I said was, why didn't you give it out. He seems to come on here and bellyache about redboarding, but then he goes and does it. I don't doubt some feel he is a good handicapper or that he hit a 35-1 shot. Just give it out ahead of time or don't post it at all. As for paying for picks.....Oracle is that you? LOL!

SCUDSBROTHER · #10 03-12-2007, 11:31 AM

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